Gun control debate (merged)

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NorthDallas40 said:
I agree with your statement but I’ll offer it’s a matter of personal choice. If evil doesn’t want a gun so be it that’s her choice. But she needs to keep her choices to herself and not imprint them on me.
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Oh I 100% agree. With that being said, I think you are not taking care of your family if you don’t own one. But it’s a personal choice for sure.
 
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volfanhill said:
Oh I 100% agree. With that being said, I think you are not taking care of your family if you don’t own one. But it’s a personal choice for sure.
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Live and let live. If we’d all just go by that simple rule a lot of crap in our society would cease to exist. I agree I wouldn’t stop owning firearms and believe I’m the primary individual responsible for the safety of my family. But it’s not right for me to impart that view on evil. And I’m sure you’d feel similar hill.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Live and let live. If we’d all just go by that simple rule a lot of crap in our society would cease to exist. I agree I wouldn’t stop owning firearms and believe I’m the primary individual responsible for the safety of my family. But it’s not right for me to impart that view on evil. And I’m sure you’d feel similar hill.
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Indeed I do sir
 
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volfanhill said:
No it can’t cause issues just by being there. It has to be disturbed. Hence why it’s still in tons of schools.
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Disturbed like: loaded with ammo, safety turned off, trigger pulled, and pointed right at someone?

Point was it takes human action to make a gun dangerous, asbestos is at best a ticking time bomb.

The only reason it's still in schools is because its expensive to remove. Not because it's safe.
 
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LouderVol said:
Disturbed like: loaded with ammo, safety turned off, trigger pulled, and pointed right at someone?

Point was it takes human action to make a gun dangerous, asbestos is at best a ticking time bomb.

The only reason it's still in schools is because its expensive to remove. Not because it's safe.
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Ergo the reason I stated above that handling asbestos unprotected will kill you, handling a gun unprotected won't do a thing to you...unless you are a moron like the example above.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
You’re free to practice your PTSD with regards to firearms but leave me and my firearms out of it lady.
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Stick by your guns (pun intended). Gun rights advocates should never make a utilitarian argument in favor of having guns, because that's a loser for them. Undoubtedly, a world without guns, ceteris paribus, is a safer world from a macro perspective. The best argument (although I don't think it carries the day) is an individual rights based one, which does not turn on the societal effect that guns have.
 
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evillawyer said:
Stick by your guns (pun intended). Gun rights advocates should never make a utilitarian argument in favor of having guns, because that's a loser for them. Undoubtedly, a world without guns, ceteris paribus, is a safer world from a macro perspective. The best argument (although I don't think it carries the day) is an individual rights based one, which does not turn on the societal effect that guns have.
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I think it’s a losing argument to favor restricting the freedoms of the law abiding because of the impulses of a very few.
 
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evillawyer said:
Stick by your guns (pun intended). Gun rights advocates should never make a utilitarian argument in favor of having guns, because that's a loser for them. Undoubtedly, a world without guns, ceteris paribus, is a safer world from a macro perspective. The best argument (although I don't think it carries the day) is an individual rights based one, which does not turn on the societal effect that guns have.
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No it isn’t. There’s no way to mandate or control “a world without guns” that’s idiotic. And yes the individual rights argument has carried the day in this country since its inception much to your chagrin. And it isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Like I said live and let live. You live in a gun free household I won’t. If you can point to my household as a genuine threat to your rights then do so or STFU girl.
 
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So it sounds like an unarmed guy actually stopped the synagogue shooter. The armed guy just shot at him as he fled.

Rabbi praises off-duty border agent who fired at California synagogue shooter

"The sheriff of San Diego County, Bill Gore, told reporters on Saturday the officer fired as the gunman was fleeing, missing the suspect but hitting his car.


Police said on Sunday that Oscar Stewart, a 51-year-old worshipper from nearby Rancho Bernardo, saved lives by rushing at the gunman and chasing him to his car outside."
 
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volfanhill said:
Suicide really? If you want to kill yourself you will kill yourself.
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I believe that's doubtful (The Relationship Between Firearm Availability and Suicide). Plus, by the same reasoning, brandishing/using a knife, fist, muscles, rock, baseball bat etc may have the same effect as brandishing/using a gun in self-defense in certain contexts. To make an apples to apples comparison you would have to remove those situations from the positive side of the scale for guns. It should only be where a gun--and nothing less drastic--would have been able to obtain the desired result.
 
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evillawyer said:
I believe that's doubtful (The Relationship Between Firearm Availability and Suicide). Plus, by the same reasoning, brandishing/using a knife, fist, muscles, rock, baseball bat etc may have the same effect as brandishing/using a gun in self-defense in certain contexts. To make an apples to apples comparison you would have to remove those situations from the positive side of the scale for guns. It should only be where a gun--and nothing less drastic--would have been able to obtain the desired result.
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Look up Australia after their gun ban. Gun suicides went down and hangings doubled. The overall rate remained unchanged. If you want to kill yourself you will.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Look up Australia after their gun ban. Gun suicides went down and hangings doubled. The overall rate remained unchanged. If you want to kill yourself you will.
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Can you point me to the story? This is what I found:

https://www.smh.com.au/healthcare/t...ed-since-the-gun-buyback-20160622-gpp4wp.html

Please note just saying that hanging suicides doubled after the gun ban doesn't say much. For example, if there were just, say, 10 hanging suicides pre gun ban and those increased to 20 post gun ban, that may not be significant if the total suicide rate decreased.
 
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evillawyer said:
I believe that's doubtful (The Relationship Between Firearm Availability and Suicide). Plus, by the same reasoning, brandishing/using a knife, fist, muscles, rock, baseball bat etc may have the same effect as brandishing/using a gun in self-defense in certain contexts. To make an apples to apples comparison you would have to remove those situations from the positive side of the scale for guns. It should only be where a gun--and nothing less drastic--would have been able to obtain the desired result.
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*Sigh*

Bless your heart. Illegal Drug overdoses are rapid in this country, yet these things are illegal. More die from these chemicals than from firearms here. The ultimate reason for having a well armed society is to make the government fear you as citizens. Personal protection is only secondary. Also, many on the left fail to realize that an evil mind will do as it will do. Poison and fire can be far, far more damaging and deadly than firearms. These are the dumb people that fear guns like the fear snakes, thus (in their weak minds) they should be eliminated even though they serve a vital purpose in this world.
 
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evillawyer said:
So it sounds like an unarmed guy actually stopped the synagogue shooter. The armed guy just shot at him as he fled.

Rabbi praises off-duty border agent who fired at California synagogue shooter

"The sheriff of San Diego County, Bill Gore, told reporters on Saturday the officer fired as the gunman was fleeing, missing the suspect but hitting his car.


Police said on Sunday that Oscar Stewart, a 51-year-old worshipper from nearby Rancho Bernardo, saved lives by rushing at the gunman and chasing him to his car outside."
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So?
 
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volfanhill said:
My father, a trial lawyer, was part of an EPA team tasked with how to handle asbestos in public schools. Which led to him being offered a job being Jimmy Hoffa’s personal lawyer. Hoffa took my mom and dad out to dinner to try to woo him. My mom told my dad she would divorce his ass if he accepted. So he politely declined.
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You could've been a mobster!
 
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evillawyer said:
Stick by your guns (pun intended). Gun rights advocates should never make a utilitarian argument in favor of having guns, because that's a loser for them. Undoubtedly, a world without guns, ceteris paribus, is a safer world from a macro perspective. The best argument (although I don't think it carries the day) is an individual rights based one, which does not turn on the societal effect that guns have.
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You’ll get my guns when you take my right to have them away and then ...come take them from me . Not before . That’s not an argument because I already have the right to have them, it’s a statement .
 
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