Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[jakez4ut]

Again, point to one post where I claimed his perspective was wrong. Again, I'm defending my perspective, not attacking yours.

you told him to broaden his? as in his was wrong and it needed to be broadened? lol.

 

[Dooby15]

 

[butchna]

Again, point to one post where I claimed his perspective was wrong. Again, I'm defending my perspective, not attacking yours.

When you suggest BROADENING, you’re basically saying that another perspective isn’t broad enough...cuz English.

 

[butchna]

I think the damage may be permanent on your end.

K

 

[quadlee21]

On a related note: my wife just sent me a text that said “Boom!” She is not a VN poster.

It’s a sign. We are getting to keep Grant and will have a big recruiting weekend.

I can promise you if my wife sends me a text that says boom. Im screwed she aint playing lol

 

[JohnnyD1024]

Grant is going to announce that he has accepted the head coaching position at UCLA.

 

[millst987]

Minds would explode

Grant is going to announce that he has accepted the head coaching position at UCLA.

 

[Chuckie]

Plot twist: She only has a brother.

"...and that beautiful girl was just a beautiful man, ol' Jim just got sick right there on the floor."

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Real talk, I expect Grant to return for his senior season. If the BasketVOLs manage to win another SEC title (regular and/or tournament) next year and then make a deep run (Sweet Sixteen or better) with him as a senior and he wins a 3rd straight SEC player of the year honor his legacy will be cemented and his number will be retired (if it's not already in consideration now).

 

[SmokinBob]

I'd be willing to bet you're correct that it was about flex and attention. I just wish it hadn't gotten to him having one foot out the door if it was all about getting more support for his program. Maybe Fulmer deserves some blame for not putting the fire out when it was a flicker.

He's learning too. I appreciate what he did to make things right with CRB.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Again, it's all about the perception. Do you think this hurts or helps recruiting? If I'm an opposing coach, I'm saying "Barnes is there until the next big offer comes." You can argue all you want and defend coach Barnes and what happened yesterday as normal business but it is simply not. Distrust abounds. As LA said yesterday, coach Fulmer will remember this. This was not the way to handle it if you 100% invested in a program.

Recruits already know that the coaches are there until the next big offer comes though.

 

[jakez4ut]

Real talk, I expect Grant to return for his senior season. If the BasketVOLs manage to win another SEC title (regular and/or tournament) next year and then make a deep run (Sweet Sixteen or better) with him as a senior and he wins a 3rd straight SEC player of the year honor his legacy will be cemented and his number will be retired (if it's not already in consideration now).

would be a great story. and i think his jersey gets retired no matter what now, b2b SEC poy, has won national player of the year by some service, if i heard that right....1st team AA.......1st Team All SEC....

individually, i think the only thing he could really do to improve it would be to win naismith poy.

and i'm sure there'll be another superstar freshman next year for Duke, UNC or KY that will win it...lol.

if he comes back, it's just because he loves college, wants to finish what he started and see if he and this team can do more for the team oriented goals, as you said.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

It's not black and white though. There are shades of grey.

50 of them?

 

[3rdDegreeVol]

Kellie Jolly Harper going to rebuild Pat's dynasty. Buyer or seller?

Pat's dynasty? Hard sell. 15 year head coach with only 4 mediocre years at a P5 school. Only one regular season conference championship back in 2007 in the Southern Conference. Never been past the 1st round of the NCAA or 2nd round of the WNIT prior to this year. 86-47 (.647) record the last four years at a mid-major school (Holly's record that got her fired was 86-46 or .652). Nothing about her career suggests she's an elite coach. If she weren't a LVFL she wouldn't have received a first look.

 

[RikidyBones]

Spells out senior year. wow. it's a sign. clearly.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Pat's dynasty? Hard sell. 15 year head coach with only 4 mediocre years at a P5 school. Only one regular season conference championship back in 2007 in the Southern Conference. Never been past the 1st round of the NCAA or 2nd round of the WNIT prior to this year. 86-47 (.647) record the last four years at a mid-major school (Holly's record that got her fired was 86-46 or .652). Nothing about her career suggests she's an elite coach. If she weren't a LVFL she wouldn't have received a first look.

Same winning % as Holly, who has had arguably some of the best talent and for sure the best facilities in all of women's college basketball. Maybe Kellie -isn't- an elite coach, but I personally think she's got a better shot at success here than Holly because we already know and have seen Harper coach Xs & Os better...if she had the same talent as Holly I think she'd have quite a few more wins.

The good news, she has her shot to prove that. I've already said it might not have been the best hire that could be made, but it could very well be the best hire for the Lady Vols. Short of Holdsclaw or Parker not many former players have the sort of legacy that Kellie Jolly does.

 

[Volator]

That will leave at the next offer.

You don’t know that as a fact, rather it is your opinion. Of course your incessant complaining about UT going cheap took a hit yesterday as CPF delivered. Guess you can complain about hiring Harper instead of going after “insert name here “

 

[Vols4us]

We retained the nationally acknowledged COY. The negative circus surrounding him was created by Rick and Phil apparently not addressing the elephant in the room prior to or as the season ended. I doubt Phil needed to see the Naismith award and other schools calling Rick to know he had to make a move on CRB/staff salaries, especially after also seeing Lanier leave. Regardless of the officials dictated tourney results - this was clearly one of the top three seasons in UT b-ball history and the positive mojo surrounding the strongly trending program nationally has been fantastic (sorry, Wolken). CRB's recruiting is also strengthening. So the upward trend of the program is toward elite.

Perhaps Rick and Phil met a few weeks back about the expectations - but from the look of how this played out they did not or it did not go well. Hopefully, both have learned from it. Fans will overlook the fiasco in time because CRB has so many more positive attributes that override the negatives. In the end they got it done and it was the right decision for all involved. However, many will not forget it and when the first signs of a listing ship happen it will be brought up repeatedly. I'm very sure John Adams has already recorded it in his future attack plans. When it does we will learn more about CRB's thick or thin skin. As fans we just need to remember that he's not perfect - he's human. We also need to remember we are Vol fans regardless of who the coach is.

 

[McGeesPub]

I just want to know what Sports Pundette says about Grant.

 

[zhangliao04]

Vol Nation needs to show up...

If I still lived in Knoxville I would be there 100%. Pruitt has my support and he needs it from the fans. Huge recruiting weekend. If you can, please go and enjoy yourself while also showing recruits not just for football but for other sports how awesome UT is.

 

[jakez4ut]

Same winning % as Holly, who has had arguably some of the best talent and for sure the best facilities in all of women's college basketball. Maybe Kellie -isn't- an elite coach, but I personally think she's got a better shot at success here than Holly because we already know and have seen Harper coach Xs & Os better...if she had the same talent as Holly I think she'd have quite a few more wins.

The good news, she has her shot to prove that. I've already said it might not have been the best hire that could be made, but it could very well be the best hire for the Lady Vols. Short of Holdsclaw or Parker not many former players have the sort of legacy that Kellie Jolly does.

i'd argue that Holly's legacy as a player is every bit as good as Kelly's.

i don't think that matters though, in either case. this will boild down to what kind of leader she is. Holly is an excellent leutenant. not a great captain. no sin in that.

if Kelly is a good leader, the rest will follow. everything else is there.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

Again, it's all about the perception. Do you think this hurts or helps recruiting? If I'm an opposing coach, I'm saying "Barnes is there until the next big offer comes." You can argue all you want and defend coach Barnes and what happened yesterday as normal business but it is simply not. Distrust abounds. As LA said yesterday, coach Fulmer will remember this. This was not the way to handle it if you 100% invested in a program.

He just said no to one of only a handful of blue blood programs. How many other blue bloods do you expect to come calling?

And why should anyone mistrust Barnes because the UCLA AD didn't follow normal protocol? Barnes notified Fulmer almost immediately after UCLA's offer.

 

[SmokinBob]

This was funny, I don't care who ya' are! (I didn't know how to "clean" it up...)

I deleted it...but it was really funny!!!!

 

[Crazy Ivan]

LOL, many feel that way. You're blind if you think people don't view Barnes differently than before the standoff.

All that proves is that a portion of the fanbase is easily butthurt, which we already knew.

 

[InVOLuntary]

When you suggest BROADENING, you’re basically saying that another perspective isn’t broad enough...cuz English.

Suggesting that you ponder my point of you is somehow attacking yours? Interesting perspective.