Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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InVOLuntary said:
Lol, some wanted him gone because he didn't win a national championship or at least make a final four.

I agree, I dont fault anyone for trying to maximize their wealth. More power to them. However, don't claim to be all in on something when you leave the door open with a foot sticking out. Whether it was Barnes fault or not, he was perceived to be here until he retired. He preached family and perspective. His image was that he was different than most head coaches that would leave for the next big thing. When that turns out not to be true, I don't think it's fair to be critical of fans for view him a different light than they thought.
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Short of my family I don't think there's a job that exist I can honestly say I'm "all in" on regardless of pay or location. Barnes can't control assumptions or perception of the fanbase no more than you or I can. I was mostly disappointed in him leaving because 2019-20 and 2020-21 were shaping up to be really good years based on incoming and present talent....him leaving now would have 100% derailed that forward momentum.

We really don't know how serious he was about UCLA, because we're not in his head. I see how long it took and how many times he spoke with Phil to try and fix things here and it makes me think his heart was here the whole time, but he also realized this might be his last opportunity to really fix his gripes with the support for him and staff. Cause what other job can come knocking that has the same sort of prestige & backing to legit pull a HC away?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol, some wanted him gone because he didn't win a national championship or at least make a final four.

I agree, I dont fault anyone for trying to maximize their wealth. More power to them. However, don't claim to be all in on something when you leave the door open with a foot sticking out. Whether it was Barnes fault or not, he was perceived to be here until he retired. He preached family and perspective. His image was that he was different than most head coaches that would leave for the next big thing. When that turns out not to be true, I don't think it's fair to be critical of fans for view him a different light than they thought.
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Like i said before. This was more a flex than anything. Other sports especially the ones who are winning right now want the attention that fulmer has been giving football. They deserve it. Especially basketball, softball, and soccer.
 
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I think there is definitely something to the excessive toxicity in a portion of our fan base. People don’t want to admit it and of course will point to our peers and say they do it too but nobody does it better than we do. I’ve heard it’s hard to lose anywhere in the SEC but it’s hardest on a program to lose in Knoxville. I think that works against us in recruiting. It has occurred to me that one of the reasons Pruitt has pushed so hard for a large crowd at the spring game is he wants to show recruits one of the more positive sides of our fan base.

I don’t know how long it’s going to take to rebuild football into a legitimate contender and I’ll be surprised if we’re the number one team in the nation for a few weeks within the next four years but I think we have to grind it out and try to improve our recruiting classes at least marginally almost every year. I could see us, say maybe 10 years or so down the road, maybe we’ve made it to Atlanta once or twice, but fans are disgruntled. Ansley takes the first available opportunity to stab Pruitt in the back and within 4 or 5 years brings us our next national championship. It’s worked before. The real key is we have to give Pruitt a chance to build a solid foundation otherwise Ansley doesn’t have a prayer. jmo.
 
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HankHill said:
Like i said before. This was more a flex than anything. Other sports especially the ones who are winning right now want the attention that fulmer has been giving football. They deserve it. Especially basketball, softball, and soccer.
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Soccer can't fill the stadium giving away tickets though.

Pecking order is Football & Men's Basketball, might be a slight edge to Men's Basketball right now. And it's obvious that it can be a banner sport for programs (Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, etc. as examples). Lady Vols Basketball when rolling is probably 3rd. Softball has been strong for awhile and now Baseball is looking solid, but I'd be interested to see if either are actually profitable for the university.
 
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HankHill said:
Like i said before. This was more a flex than anything. Other sports especially the ones who are winning right now want the attention that fulmer has been giving football. They deserve it. Especially basketball, softball, and soccer.
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I feel like I am in the minority, but not at any moment throughout the rumors did I begin to think less of Barnes.

Some are acting like Barnes was controlling the rumors when it could've very well been UCLA trying to pressure UT. Kind of like how many of us began to question Fulmer/Pruitt/UT during all those Freeze rumors.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Don't see why you hold the presser if you're leaving. Would seem more like a kick to the nads than if he just announced on twitter.
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and also going out, most want to test the waters before making a decision. (like Bone) I hope I'm right.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I think there is definitely something to the excessive toxicity in a portion of our fan base. People don’t want to admit it and of course will point to our peers and say they do it too but nobody does it better than we do. I’ve heard it’s hard to lose anywhere in the SEC but it’s hardest on a program to lose in Knoxville. I think that works against us in recruiting. It has occurred to me that one of the reasons Pruitt has pushed so hard for a large crowd at the spring game is he wants to show recruits one of the more positive sides of our fan base.

I don’t know how long it’s going to take to rebuild football into a legitimate contender and I’ll be surprised if we’re the number one team in the nation for a few weeks within the next four years but I think we have to grind it out and try to improve our recruiting classes at least marginally almost every year. I could see us, say maybe 10 years or so down the road, maybe we’ve made it to Atlanta once or twice, but fans are disgruntled. Ansley takes the first available opportunity to stab Pruitt in the back and within 4 or 5 years brings us our next national championship. It’s worked before. The real key is we have to give Pruitt a chance to build a solid foundation otherwise Ansley doesn’t have a prayer. jmo.
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The year after Saban retires is when UT Football will become a powerhouse again (assuming we don't lose Pruitt or whoever is the HC to the Bama job).

Only team in the East that has to play the best team in the West ever season outside of the championship game is hard. Puts us in "must win" situations against the rest of the east including Georgia & Florida. I am more confident with current staff though than I ever have been with previous (except maybe Kiffin). Pruitt can get the horses and the guys he has on staff can get them coached up. Time will tell if the gameday IQ is there. Cause if all things are equal that's what it'll come down to, and right now we're on the same level or better than all but 2 or 3 teams in the East.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Short of my family I don't think there's a job that exist I can honestly say I'm "all in" on regardless of pay or location. Barnes can't control assumptions or perception of the fanbase no more than you or I can. I was mostly disappointed in him leaving because 2019-20 and 2020-21 were shaping up to be really good years based on incoming and present talent....him leaving now would have 100% derailed that forward momentum.

We really don't know how serious he was about UCLA, because we're not in his head. I see how long it took and how many times he spoke with Phil to try and fix things here and he makes me think his heart was here the whole time, but he also realized this might be his last opportunity to really fix his gripes with the support for him and staff. Cause what other job can come knocking that has the same sort of prestige & backing to legit pull a HC away?
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I agree with all that. Whether it was solely fan perception or a persona fostered by Barnes, I don't think it's unreasonable to think fans would view Barnes a little less like family and a little more like an employee. That's all I'm saying.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I agree with all that. Whether it was solely fan perception or a persona fostered by Barnes, I don't think it's unreasonable to think fans would view Barnes a little less like family and a little more like an employee. That's all I'm saying.
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I agree there, but I've never viewed anyone on staff as anything else. Seeing how Phil was done when he was pushed out, or even Majors before that. It's always been a business, I don't want people who are being paid millions to be treated like family tbh, great way to lose a ****load of money.
 
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HankHill said:
Like i said before. This was more a flex than anything. Other sports especially the ones who are winning right now want the attention that fulmer has been giving football. They deserve it. Especially basketball, softball, and soccer.
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I'd be willing to bet you're correct that it was about flex and attention. I just wish it hadn't gotten to him having one foot out the door if it was all about getting more support for his program. Maybe Fulmer deserves some blame for not putting the fire out when it was a flicker.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Soccer can't fill the stadium giving away tickets though.

Pecking order is Football & Men's Basketball, might be a slight edge to Men's Basketball right now. And it's obvious that it can be a banner sport for programs (Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, etc. as examples). Lady Vols Basketball when rolling is probably 3rd. Softball has been strong for awhile and now Baseball is looking solid, but I'd be interested to see if either are actually profitable for the university.
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Everybody knows that but doesn’t change the fact coaches want to improve their side of things too. Not just football.
 
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LA Vol said:
I think he'll be under more pressure to win. He'll be expected to recruit well and hang a banner during the next five years. They'll probably expect him to increase fundraising and pack TBA. And get some new ties.
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CRB needs to take a trip to the Brooks Brothers factory in store in Sevierville. I was talking with one of the sales reps there, and that store sourced some orange (PMS 151) and white striped neckties for some of the football coaches.
 
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Smokeytom said:
I feel like I am in the minority, but not at any moment throughout the rumors did I begin to think less of Barnes.

Some are acting like Barnes was controlling the rumors when it could've very well been UCLA trying to pressure UT. Kind of like how many of us began to question Fulmer/Pruitt/UT during all those Freeze rumors.
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The source of rumors is VN imaginations for the most part. CRB was offered another job at a prestigious school. He used the offer to get a raise for himself and staff. Plain and simple. It took about 24 hours to settle. Rumors and drama came from media and Volnation.
Remember: UCLA leaked this, not Barnes
 
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