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JMSqb11 said:
I said the exact same thing. They are at school for education and for sports and have sports as a condition of their enrollment. Non athlete college kids are there for education and have grades and grades only as the condition of their enrollment. They are not comparable to student athletes. At all.
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The only comparison that matters is that if they want to transfer or leave, they should BOTH have every right to do so
 
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Unimane said:
It isn't easy, at all. But, that's beside the point. You've provided no justification for requiring kids to only go to the school of their choice for their entire term of eligibility. The "victim mentality" accusation makes no sense. What's the purpose of this requirement? The fact that it is possible for a small handful of kids to do this really cumbersome overseas journey at 18 doesn't mean anything in eliminating the possibility of moving from one university to another if the athlete desires it.
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If a school (the gateway to student athlete's professional life) is making terms of the contract aka scholarship, the kid who willingly signs can't complain about the system....
 
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volfanbill said:
The only comparison that matters is that if they want to transfer or leave, they should BOTH have every right to do so
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Not without a valid reason which I would say includes a coaching change, hazardous/dangerous environment, family/medical issues, but that is about it.

A school invest more into a student athlete than the average non student athlete....

Don't willingly sign a letter of intent if you might have an issue down the road.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If a school (the gateway to student athlete's professional life) is making terms of the contract aka scholarship, the kid who willingly signs can't complain about the system....
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The contract is only for ONE YEAR. that’s it. It gets renewed annually. If kids want out after the first contract/scholarship, there should be nothing stopping them from leaving
 
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volfanbill said:
The contract is only for ONE YEAR. that’s it. It gets renewed annually. If kids want out after the first contract/scholarship, there should be nothing stopping them from leaving
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There isn’t anything stopping them from leaving
 
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volfanbill said:
The contract is only for ONE YEAR. that’s it. It gets renewed annually. If kids want out after the first contract/scholarship, there should be nothing stopping them from leaving
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Some schools do more the one year deals fwiw
 
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JMSqb11 said:
You literally can't read.

Non athlete college kids - enrollment status based solely on grades

Student Athletes - enrollment status based on grades and athletics
They are not comparable.... At all
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Lol we can read......... and you can be wrong....... and you are wrong.

And you were certainly wrong with your assessment of the reasoning........as it did not even apply because we are talking about a new rule.

No need to get up set we are humans and are all often wrong.

The student athletes “role” is to get an education. They are provided the opportunity because of the “athlete” part. Both the school and the student are compensated because of this. But their role is certainly to get an education............if not why would they even be there? As you stated they could go elsewhere. The NCAA themselves even stat education is the main concern the main goal. Heck every student has secondary goals.

And no enrollment status is not based solely on grades.......there is also behavior, there is character, there is liability..... all kinds of stuff.

Student athletes, just like non athlete students have to abide by, accomplish, stick to, all kinds of things in order to stay enrolled, student athletes simply have to add the athletic part.........but not to KEEP enrollment, but simply to keep their scholarship and to keep playing.
 
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volfanbill said:
But seriously, why?
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Because I think the recruiting process involves making a decision that last 4-5years. If a coach makes a mistake and wants out they should be penalized. If a player makes a mistake in thier choice and wants out they should as well. I am sick of the way society just moves from team to team when the least little thing doesn't suit them. Happens at all ages


I believe players should get one transfer if a Head coach leaves without penalty. That's the only exception
 
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Isn’t it kind of a ‘penalty’ to the school which a player transfers to they they are sacrificing a scholarship for that one year to someone who doesn’t play.
 
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golfballs said:
Isn’t it kind of a ‘penalty’ to the school which a player transfers to they they are sacrificing a scholarship for that one year to someone who doesn’t play.
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That's the penalty to the new school not the one that pushes the kid out the door
 
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JoAllan said:
Lol we can read......... and you can be wrong....... and you are wrong.

And you were certainly wrong with your assessment of the reasoning........as it did not even apply because we are talking about a new rule.

No need to get up set we are humans and are all often wrong.

The student athletes “role” is to get an education. They are provided the opportunity because of the “athlete” part. Both the school and the student are compensated because of this. But their role is certainly to get an education............if not why would they even be there? As you stated they could go elsewhere. The NCAA themselves even stat education is the main concern the main goal. Heck every student has secondary goals.

And no enrollment status is not based solely on grades.......there is also behavior, there is character, there is liability..... all kinds of stuff.

Student athletes, just like non athlete students have to abide by, accomplish, stick to, all kinds of things in order to stay enrolled, student athletes simply have to add the athletic part.........but not to KEEP enrollment, but simply to keep their scholarship and to keep playing.
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Once again- the two are not comparable.

Student Athletes get advantages while having a status based on the student part and the athletics part.

Non Student Athletes have status based on education aka grades.

It’s amazing how you’re treating this like rocket science. It isn’t hard to understand.
 
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golfballs said:
National championship game could just be a de-facto college all-star game.
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Yea because we all know All Americans are going to transfer to a deep team and sit the bench.

If anything it helps spread the talent around. Back ups with talent can go somewhere they can start immediately.

That way Bama doesn't have guys on the bench who are eventual top 5 picks.
 
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BruinVol said:
Because I think the recruiting process involves making a decision that last 4-5years. If a coach makes a mistake and wants out they should be penalized. If a player makes a mistake in thier choice and wants out they should as well. I am sick of the way society just moves from team to team when the least little thing doesn't suit them. Happens at all ages


I believe players should get one transfer if a Head coach leaves without penalty. That's the only exception
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You realize there are tons of kids who go basically un-noticed or undecovered in high school. It wasn’t their fault, maybe it is where they played where they grew up, maybe they grew much taller or something. Then in college at some small school everything finally fell together. This student athlete is now like a 5 star freshman, why should they be punished? Why should they be held at a school and maybe from even the opportunity to play in the NBA?
 
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BruinVol said:
Because I think the recruiting process involves making a decision that last 4-5years. If a coach makes a mistake and wants out they should be penalized. If a player makes a mistake in thier choice and wants out they should as well. I am sick of the way society just moves from team to team when the least little thing doesn't suit them. Happens at all ages


I believe players should get one transfer if a Head coach leaves without penalty. That's the only exception
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So you’d rather penalize the school and player by wasting a scholly on a bad fit for that program and that player? How is that a good plan?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Once again- the two are not comparable.

Student Athletes get advantages while having a status based on the student part and the athletics part.

Non Student Athletes have status based on education aka grades.

It’s amazing how you’re treating this like rocket science. It isn’t hard to understand.
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You literally just said their enrollment status was different........not just a few minutes ago.

Then I show how you were wrong, as the enrollment status is not different..........so then you try to come up with something different.

Sure they are not the same, no one is saying that. Every one is different but their “status” is the same, their enrollment is the same one simply gets a scholarship because of athletes and maybe the other gets a scholarship because of family or grades or community service.

While they are not exactly the same they should be treated the same as both are students........and from the school and ncaa students, first.
 
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JoAllan said:
You literally just said their enrollment status was different........not just a few minutes ago.

Then I show how you were wrong, as the enrollment status is not different..........so then you try to come up with something different.

Sure they are not the same, no one is saying that. Every one is different but their “status” is the same, their enrollment is the same one simply gets a scholarship because of athletes and maybe the other gets a scholarship because of family or grades or community service.

While they are not exactly the same they should be treated the same as both are students........and from the school and ncaa students, first.
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Except I’m not wrong. The main quantifiable difference between student athletes and non student athletes’ statuses are one is judged solely on education aka grades and one is judged on a combo of education aka grades and athletics while getting advantages thru athletics. They are not comparable. At all.

Saying they should be treated the same is your opinion and not a fact. They are treated differently because their statuses as a part of their respective universities are measured differently and aren’t equal.
 
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volfanbill said:
So you’d rather penalize the school and player by wasting a scholly on a bad fit for that program and that player? How is that a good plan?
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I want the recruiting process to be more detailed, not nearly as early for the kids and some accountability for the coaches. Basketball is probably the best sport when it comes to that but there are sports out there where coaches recruit for numbers and hope a few work out.

I had a major college coach tell me once that his goal in recruiting was just to be 50/50 on his Evals. When he missed he just discarded the kids like fish from a live well. That's bad
 
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BruinVol said:
I want the recruiting process to be more detailed, not nearly as early for the kids and some accountability for the coaches. Basketball is probably the best sport when it comes to that but there are sports out there where coaches recruit for numbers and hope a few work out.

I had a major college coach tell me once that his goal in recruiting was just to be 50/50 on his Evals. When he missed he just discarded the kids like fish from a live well. That's bad
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How can they get more detailed? They’re working around the clock as is. It’s impossible to get every recruit right by watching them in HS
 
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volfanbill said:
How can they get more detailed? They’re working around the clock as is. It’s impossible to get every recruit right by watching them in HS
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Sure everyone misses but when the plan is to miss as much as some of these coaches plan for that's wrong

Like I said basketball is the best sport at not recruiting kids too early but football and baseball are really bad with it. Commit kids really early before you even know how they are going to mature. Coaches need to wait longer and be more sure and that's what I mean by being more detailed
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Except I’m not wrong. The main quantifiable difference between student athletes and non student athletes’ statuses are one is judged solely on education aka grades and one is judged on a combo of education aka grades and athletics while getting advantages thru athletics. They are not comparable. At all.

Saying they should be treated the same is your opinion and not a fact. They are treated differently because their statuses as a part of their respective universities are measured differently and aren’t equal.
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Ok ok ok so now,it is how someone is “judged”

Ok ok you can win. Students are judged solely on class room work, student athletes are judged by the same and athletes...........therefore they should be treated differently, and not be allowed to transfer even after they graduate.

I finally see your point and yes you are certainly right.
 
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