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#151
#151
Unimane said:
The best you can do is "they'll figure it out"? That's not a justification for requiring kids to stay until their eligibility is up. That's a BS F-k you to the kids, nothing near a reasonable explanation.

And, the example of Mudiay means little when he was one of the top 2 recruits in the class and would've been a draft pick had he stayed home on his couch for a year. So, how does it work for the 99.9% of the other kids who aren't in that situation?

It's a foolish idea of forcing kids to do this when absolutely no one else in that industry is bound by such parameters.
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You obviously can read.

Top level talent can figure it out because they are getting courted instead of them going out searching for schools to offer them.

Once again, don’t sit around and complain about the NCAA if you aren’t going to exhaust all options that can improve your situation. I’m utterly amazed at the victim mindset here.
 
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#152
#152
Unimane said:
So, involuntary servitude or moving overseas as an 18 year old with leagues that have notoriously sketchy contracts and guarantees (Which very, very few would be able to do and offered anyway)? When exactly do the considerations of student-athletes actually count in this situation?
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Involuntary servitude? Seriously?
 
#153
#153
JMSqb11 said:
You obviously can read.

Top level talent can figure it out because they are getting courted instead of them going out searching for schools to offer them.

Once again, don’t sit around and complain about the NCAA if you aren’t going to exhaust all options that can improve your situation. I’m utterly amazed at the victim mindset here.
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I agree with you on this. Top level talent can go somewhere and get paid for a year. Those that aren't top level will get something in return for playing in college.

Grant Williams would not have gotten anything out of high school. Now, he is on draft boards.

Even so, Zion is probably going to get close to a 9 figure payday. There was absolute value in him attending Duke.
 
#154
#154
JMSqb11 said:
You obviously can read.

Top level talent can figure it out because they are getting courted instead of them going out searching for schools to offer them.

Once again, don’t sit around and complain about the NCAA if you aren’t going to exhaust all options that can improve your situation. I’m utterly amazed at the victim mindset here.
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You can't read, apparently, because this is still not a justification. This, again, is just some nonsense about ridiculous notions of kids going to China or Yugoslavia, wherever, as if that is available to any but a few elite members of a class. Even if they were, it doesn't make it acceptable to have that sort of system in place. It's not a reasoned support of a system requiring kids to go to the same school for 4 years, not at all.
 
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#155
VolGee4 said:
I agree with you on this. Top level talent can go somewhere and get paid for a year. Those that aren't top level will get something in return for playing in college.

Grant Williams would not have gotten anything out of high school. Now, he is on draft boards.

Even so, Zion is probably going to get close to a 9 figure payday. There was absolute value in him attending Duke.
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This is still not justifying requiring kids to exhaust their eligibility at only one school. No transfers, no mistakes allowed for 18 years kids in their first choice. Coach leaves and you want to go? Sorry. The program gets to decide to renew your scholarship on a yearly basis? Sure, but you can't do the same.

I feel like I'm speaking another language here.
 
#157
#157
Unimane said:
This is still not justifying requiring kids to exhaust their eligibility at only one school. No transfers, no mistakes allowed for 18 years kids in their first choice. Coach leaves and you want to go? Sorry. The program gets to decide to renew your scholarship on a yearly basis? Sure, but you can't do the same.

I feel like I'm speaking another language here.
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Maybe I didn't read the entire discussion. I thought it had turned into another discussion about forcing kids to play one year of college. That's my bad.

I am not in favor of free agency, but I do think there should be some give and take with transfers.
 
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Unimane said:
You can't read, apparently, because this is still not a justification. This, again, is just some nonsense about ridiculous notions of kids going to China or Yugoslavia, wherever, as if that is available to any but a few elite members of a class. Even if they were, it doesn't make it acceptable to have that sort of system in place. It's not a reasoned support of a system requiring kids to go to the same school for 4 years, not at all.
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What have I said the entire time?

IF YOU HAVE THE TALENT, you can improve your situation without having to step foot on a college court. And that 99.9% that aren't top talent, they will get a net positive out of school.

Also- you make it sound like it is some tough task to get into a Euro or Asian League compared to going to college..... Newsflash, it isn't.

A kid from a crap situation getting a free ride is better than the alternative where they aren't in school.

Amazed at the victim mentality.
 
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#159
JMSqb11 said:
What have I said the entire time?

IF YOU HAVE THE TALENT, you can improve your situation without having to step foot on a college court. And that 99.9% that aren't top talent, they will get a net positive out of school.

Also- you make it sound like it is some tough task to get into a Euro or Asian League compared to going to college..... Newsflash, it isn't.

A kid from a crap situation getting a free ride is better than the alternative where they aren't in school.

Amazed at the victim mentality.
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Why is it fair that any other college student in the country can transfer without any restrictions but student-athletes can’t?
 
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#160
zjcvols said:
Why is it fair that any other college student in the country can transfer without any restrictions but student-athletes can’t?
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Because a student isn't a student-athlete and vice versa. There are students and then there are student athletes. Student athletes' purpose of being enrolled in a school is dual purposed: Sports Team and Education...

A comms major swapping schools isn't a big deal in terms of impact as a comms major football player swapping schools in the same conference.
 
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#161
Ja Morant would have transfered after his freshman year. Imagine him on Duke or Kentucky’s roster this year
 
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#163
BruinVol said:
It hurts the school that developed them and graduated them

I've said for years schools are slowing down course loads so this doesn't happen and that is 100% a fact
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How does this hurt the school?

Students are able to transfer at will for the most part if they want; however for student athletes it’s a different story.

If a student athlete graduates they have done exactly what they were supposed to do. Yet if they want to transfer then..........somehow it hurts the school? Making it harder, or not letting them hurts the student and is wrong. The student athlete can get their scholarship taken, they can be red shirted even if they were told they would not be, they can play maybe even do great then get hurt and sometime simply spit out by the school...........as the school can get them and let them go any time they want or if they simply now have a different need. Yet if the athlete even graduates and does everything they should STILL be hindered from leaving?

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#165
JMSqb11 said:
Because a student isn't a student-athlete and vice versa. There are students and then there are student athletes. Student athletes' purpose of being enrolled in a school is dual purposed: Sports Team and Education...

A comms major swapping schools isn't a big deal in terms of impact as a comms major football player swapping schools in the same conference.
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Ok again, but why?

You didn’t answer you simply said because. And that they have a different role.

Their role is the same, to get an education. They simply have skills which allow them to get into school cheaper or sometimes for free. However many non athlete students get scholarships as well; however the school can recoup the costs from the athletes by use of their skills.

Simply why should a student athlete be in any way forced to use all eligibility at any one school?

The school is not held to that standard......as they can revoke a scholarship, they can promise a scholarship for the second year and on and not give.......they can do what they want with the athlete. Also non athletes are not held to that same standard, and they are not even getting their reduced cost or free school recouped.
 
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#166
JoAllan said:
Ok again, but why?

You didn’t answer you simply said because. And that they have a different role.

Their role is the same, to get an education. They simply have skills which allow them to get into school cheaper or sometimes for free. However many non athlete students get scholarships as well; however the school can recoup the costs from the athletes by use of their skills.

Simply why should a student athlete be in any way forced to use all eligibility at any one school?

The school is not held to that standard......as they can revoke a scholarship, they can promise a scholarship for the second year and on and not give.......they can do what they want with the athlete. Also non athletes are not held to that same standard, and they are not even getting their reduced cost or free school recouped.
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A regular student's role is education. A student-athlete is education AND sports while getting a free ride because of sports. They are not comparable at all.

Once again, it is the kid's choice to sign with a school and accepting the terms of the scholarship. If they don't like the system, they don't have to participate. Kids willingly sign with schools and accept the terms. Hard to say they are getting mistreated when they willingly accept an offer even if it means that they could potentially get cut down the road.

The victim mindset on here is truly mesmerizing....
 
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#168
JMSqb11 said:
A regular student's role is education. A student-athlete is education AND sports while getting a free ride because of sports. They are not comparable at all.

Once again, it is the kid's choice to sign with a school and accepting the terms of the scholarship. If they don't like the system, they don't have to participate. Kids willingly sign with schools and accept the terms. Hard to say they are getting mistreated when they willingly accept an offer even if it means that they could potentially get cut down the road.

The victim mindset on here is truly mesmerizing....
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The NCAA states the number one goal of the student-athlete is to get a degree. They also are still considered students first and foremost by the NCAA. They have to meet certain requirements to keep their scholarships and to stay in school. So yes they are comparable.
 
#169
#169
A student athlete's scholarship is good for one year. It's not a four year commitment. If they choose to leave after the year's commitment is up, they have that right.

conversely, the university has a right to not renew the commitment
 
#170
#170
JMSqb11 said:
A regular student's role is education. A student-athlete is education AND sports while getting a free ride because of sports. They are not comparable at all.

Once again, it is the kid's choice to sign with a school and accepting the terms of the scholarship. If they don't like the system, they don't have to participate. Kids willingly sign with schools and accept the terms. Hard to say they are getting mistreated when they willingly accept an offer even if it means that they could potentially get cut down the road.

The victim mindset on here is truly mesmerizing....
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You are wrong. Both students goal, role or whatever is the same or it should be.......an education.

The athlete simply has leverage and gets a reduced or free cost because of their skills. The school accepts this because in return they can recoup their cost by use of the athletes skills.

Also what we are talking about is a possible NEW rule in which NONE of the kids have accepted. None of them said “ok I’ll still do this.” Therefore your explanation does not apply.

I haven’t said anything about mistreatments of athletes. I simply state they should be treated the same. The school and regular students both are held to different standards, even though the “skills” of the athlete allows the school to recoup its cost.......and also allows some non athletes the opportunity to receive a reduced cost (in some cases.....as not all football/basketball revenues returns to that sport).

So only one is held to a different standard, and that is simply wrong.......because of what I stated above.
 
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#172
JMSqb11 said:
What have I said the entire time?

IF YOU HAVE THE TALENT, you can improve your situation without having to step foot on a college court. And that 99.9% that aren't top talent, they will get a net positive out of school.

Also- you make it sound like it is some tough task to get into a Euro or Asian League compared to going to college..... Newsflash, it isn't.

A kid from a crap situation getting a free ride is better than the alternative where they aren't in school.

Amazed at the victim mentality.
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It isn't easy, at all. But, that's beside the point. You've provided no justification for requiring kids to only go to the school of their choice for their entire term of eligibility. The "victim mentality" accusation makes no sense. What's the purpose of this requirement? The fact that it is possible for a small handful of kids to do this really cumbersome overseas journey at 18 doesn't mean anything in eliminating the possibility of moving from one university to another if the athlete desires it.
 
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#174
zjcvols said:
The NCAA states the number one goal of the student-athlete is to get a degree. They also are still considered students first and foremost by the NCAA. They have to meet certain requirements to keep their scholarships and to stay in school. So yes they are comparable.
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I said the exact same thing. They are at school for education and for sports and have sports as a condition of their enrollment. Non athlete college kids are there for education and have grades and grades only as the condition of their enrollment. They are not comparable to student athletes. At all.
 
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#175
JoAllan said:
You are wrong. Both students goal, role or whatever is the same or it should be.......an education.

The athlete simply has leverage and gets a reduced or free cost because of their skills. The school accepts this because in return they can recoup their cost by use of the athletes skills.

Also what we are talking about is a possible NEW rule in which NONE of the kids have accepted. None of them said “ok I’ll still do this.” Therefore your explanation does not apply.

I haven’t said anything about mistreatments of athletes. I simply state they should be treated the same. The school and regular students both are held to different standards, even though the “skills” of the athlete allows the school to recoup its cost.......and also allows some non athletes the opportunity to receive a reduced cost (in some cases.....as not all football/basketball revenues returns to that sport).

So only one is held to a different standard, and that is simply wrong.......because of what I stated above.
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You literally can't read.

Non athlete college kids - enrollment status based solely on grades

Student Athletes - enrollment status based on grades and athletics


They are not comparable.... At all
 
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