To Protect and to Serve II

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#6,977
Orange_Vol1321 said:
What if ones out and ones at home and when the guy out and about doesn't check in the peraon at the house starts flushing everything.

I understand you, but I see both sides.
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How is the person at home gonna know quickly enough? Why are lives worth losing for more evidence?
 
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#6,978
#6,978
Orange_Vol1321 said:
What if ones out and ones at home and when the guy out and about doesn't check in the peraon at the house starts flushing everything.

I understand you, but I see both sides.
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Well if getting drugs off the street is your goal flushing them accomplishes that. Is getting shot worth securing the drugs?
 
#6,982
#6,982
This was a while back in Knoxville. Guy in nice house turns out to be a heroin dealer. No national story about it though because of how the authorities handled the arrest. I know not everything will go according to plan 100% of the time, but I'm generally curious as to what the major differences where in how the situations went down.

Knox man charged in heroin, food stamp fraud scheme
 
#6,985
#6,985
n_huffhines said:
I wonder what the neighbor's video shows? The police took it for evidence
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Did the neighbor film it on a phone or home security? It's possible there's a cloud backup.

It also raises another interesting question which is why would they take it? Didn't the shootings occur inside the dwelling?
 
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#6,986
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Good question. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for them to release the video.
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The thing is... Short of the cops rolling in there and killing them execution style, would a video of the raid really change anything?

I was insanely pro body cams a few years ago. But since I've seen several cops straight up murder people on camera and face little to no consequences and nobody really care.
 
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#6,987
#6,987
n_huffhines said:
I already mentioned the controlled buy and said the guy was wrong about the important details. Why are you pointing it out as if I overlooked something?
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Because they did purchase heroin at that location as stated in the Probable Cause portion of the warrant. That's the most important detail.
 
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#6,988
Cdywolfe said:
The thing is... Short of the cops rolling in there and killing them execution style, would a video of the raid really change anything?

I was insanely pro body cams a few years ago. But since I've seen several cops straight up murder people on camera and face little to no consequences and nobody really care.
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Indeed.
 
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#6,989
37L1 said:
Because they did purchase heroin at that location as stated in the Probable Cause portion of the warrant. That's the most important detail.
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Like I said, the cops witnessed nothing. The CI supposedly said there were several bags of heroin and a 9mm pistol and the next day all that stuff is gone. Yeah, maybe they sold all the heroin, but why is the gun gone? It's all ********.

If they were interested in doing real police work, they could have at least found out the names of the people that have lived there for 2 decades. They had 2 weeks to investigate, and all they got is supposedly a controlled buy. This is indefensibly bad police work.
 
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#6,990
davethevol said:
Did the neighbor film it on a phone or home security? It's possible there's a cloud backup.

It also raises another interesting question which is why would they take it? Didn't the shootings occur inside the dwelling?
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It's their own surveillance footage, and I would be surprised if it captured much of anything informative.
 
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#6,991
n_huffhines said:
It's their own surveillance footage, and I would be surprised if it captured much of anything informative.
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It might have captured the police in plain clothes Ike some of the neighbors described, in which case the police definitely wouldn’t want evidence of.
 
#6,992
#6,992
davethevol said:
It might have captured the police in plain clothes Ike some of the neighbors described, in which case the police definitely wouldn’t want evidence of.
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Do incident reports not indicate what they were wearing? I didn't realize this is something that was in question.
 
#6,993
#6,993
I despise most cops and how they interact with people because they get their rocks off on intimidating people and bullying them. Don't pull people over because their license plate is not lit and jerk em around.
 
#6,995
#6,995
n_huffhines said:
How is the person at home gonna know quickly enough? Why are lives worth losing for more evidence?
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Well huff, if I'm doing that I'm going to have something every 5 minutes telling the person at home I'm ok. Simple really. You act like it's Mayberry phone lines in 2019.
 
#6,996
#6,996
n_huffhines said:
Do incident reports not indicate what they were wearing? I didn't realize this is something that was in question.
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At least one of the neighbors said the police were in plain clothes and had nothing that made them look like police, to which the neighbor speculated that's why the couple shot them because they thought it was a robbery.
It's possible the neighbor is mistaken or lying, but at least one has made that claim.
 
#6,997
#6,997
davethevol said:
At least one of the neighbors said the police were in plain clothes and had nothing that made them look like police, to which the neighbor speculated that's why the couple shot them because they thought it was a robbery.
It's possible the neighbor is mistaken or lying, but at least one has made that claim.
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Yeah, I thought this was an established fact, but it sounds like it may be in question?
 
#6,998
#6,998
VolStrom said:
I despise most cops and how they interact with people because they get their rocks off on intimidating people and bullying them. Don't pull people over because their license plate is not lit and jerk em around.
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Painting with some broad strokes there.
 
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