To Protect and to Serve II

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#6,952
DancingOutlaw said:
Do you know anyone who wants to try heroin but is afraid because it’s illegal?
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Well if we're going to sale it at pop up 7 11s at every corner how manys going to try it because it's now legal?

Then when those people lose their job and need money for more whose house they coming in?
 
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#6,953
n_huffhines said:
I'm willing to bet that if you take out all the "advanced age" deaths, more still die from obesity/heart disease than drugs.

You're now talking about the effects on the individual who chooses to take these drugs, and not the societal cost. Your original justification was the societal cost.
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I doubt your first bet but whatever. Go ahead and link that information and then I'll believe it. The deaths by drug OD is gaining on the HD numbers and it is impacting a younger demographic.

Was my "original justification societal cost"? I don't recall that but either or both are appropriate since no man is an island.

Oh, there is a societal cost. The family and friends of the younger person saddled with addiction, the theft and other criminal behavior to obtain the drug by the "victim" as well as their suppliers, the cost in intervention, emergency responses, medical care, etc., etc., etc. Now you may argue that it is the same for heart disease but you know that is a specious and basically fallacious argument but I get your main point, which is, where do you choose to draw the line?

Here's a simple way to look at it: Addicting drugs really, really bad; unhealthy diet is just bad. It takes a whole lot longer to get to the end game. And with the drug addiction it's a whole lot easier to blame someone or something else for the problem instead of the "victim's" own behavior. So society looks for someone else, like government, to solve the problem.
 
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#6,955
Orange_Vol1321 said:
Wasn't agreeing. His speech was saying they're tired of being spotlighted as the bad guy while they protect and serve all the azzholes that think this way.
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Well first off, the courts have stated that police have no obligation to protect anyone. Second, who exactly are the police serving and protecting in their war on drugs?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well first off, the courts have stated that police have no obligation to protect anyone. Second, who exactly are the police serving and protecting in their war on drugs?
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I don't need the cops to protect me.

I'm guessing the little old lady that lived next to these idiots is sleeping a little better at night.
 
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#6,959
37L1 said:
I doubt your first bet but whatever. Go ahead and link that information and then I'll believe it. The deaths by drug OD is gaining on the HD numbers and it is impacting a younger demographic.

Was my "original justification societal cost"? I don't recall that but either or both are appropriate since no man is an island.

Oh, there is a societal cost. The family and friends of the younger person saddled with addiction, the theft and other criminal behavior to obtain the drug by the "victim" as well as their suppliers, the cost in intervention, emergency responses, medical care, etc., etc., etc. Now you may argue that it is the same for heart disease but you know that is a specious and basically fallacious argument but I get your main point, which is, where do you choose to draw the line?

Here's a simple way to look at it: Addicting drugs really, really bad; unhealthy diet is just bad. It takes a whole lot longer to get to the end game. And with the drug addiction it's a whole lot easier to blame someone or something else for the problem instead of the "victim's" own behavior. So society looks for someone else, like government, to solve the problem.
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600k heart disease deaths and 70k drug overdose deaths (including legal), so if 85% of the former are "advanced age", then heart disease is still the more intervention-worthy problem, according to your strangely specific criteria.
 
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#6,960
37L1 said:
Hindsight is 20-20 and yours is better than that based on the "facts" that you have gotten from the news. There is risk in the job. Those officers know the risks. The press is screaming about the drug epidemic. Those drugs are already illegal. So how do you propose to deal with it? Pass more laws with no enofrcement, or better yet, make them legal. That will solve all the drug problems, now won't it?
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Making them illegal solves all drug problems also, I suppose?
 
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#6,961
37L1 said:
So's the war on poverty.

You going to give up?

So where are the other drug search warrants served where officer's have been killed, if "the shoddy practices" are so common?
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This country doesn't have a good track record in most wars in my lifetime. At best, just Pyrrhic victories.
 
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#6,962
37L1 said:
I doubt your first bet but whatever. Go ahead and link that information and then I'll believe it. The deaths by drug OD is gaining on the HD numbers and it is impacting a younger demographic.

Was my "original justification societal cost"? I don't recall that but either or both are appropriate since no man is an island.

Oh, there is a societal cost. The family and friends of the younger person saddled with addiction, the theft and other criminal behavior to obtain the drug by the "victim" as well as their suppliers, the cost in intervention, emergency responses, medical care, etc., etc., etc. Now you may argue that it is the same for heart disease but you know that is a specious and basically fallacious argument but I get your main point, which is, where do you choose to draw the line?

Here's a simple way to look at it: Addicting drugs really, really bad; unhealthy diet is just bad. It takes a whole lot longer to get to the end game. And with the drug addiction it's a whole lot easier to blame someone or something else for the problem instead of the "victim's" own behavior. So society looks for someone else, like government, to solve the problem.
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Ban alcohol..?
 
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#6,963
InVOLuntary said:
I've often wondered why in cases like this they don't just survail the people and take them into custody away from the where the warrant is to be served, then serve the warrant.
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Waco, David Koresh...

Deep down, I think we have cops that want to live out their childhood cops and robbers fantasies. There is no adrenalin rush in just throwing cuffs on a guy while they are about to order a latte. No, we need to have some shootin' and car chasin'
 
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#6,964
Rasputin_Vol said:
Waco, David Koresh...

Deep down, I think we have cops that want to live out their childhood cops and robbers fantasies. There is no adrenalin rush in just throwing cuffs on a guy while they are about to order a latte. No, we need to have some shootin' and car chasin'
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The copsI know are just the opposite. Don't want any violence. They just want to go home to their loved ones at night. I'm sure there are some that get their jollies going all commando.
 
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#6,965
This is terrible police work

"This disastrous search supposedly was the culmination of a two-week investigation triggered by a neighbor's tip. During that time police apparently did not manage to document suspicious activity at the house or even identify the owners, who had lived there for two decades."
 
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n_huffhines said:
This is terrible police work

"This disastrous search supposedly was the culmination of a two-week investigation triggered by a neighbor's tip. During that time police apparently did not manage to document suspicious activity at the house or even identify the owners, who had lived there for two decades."
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BS, read the warrant. They did a controlled buy.
 
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#6,968
To be fair: i nearly always back the coos in this thread, respect GW and other cops who post here...but no knock raids are BS...and lazy police work. Like Huff said, these guys have to go get groceries etc...and honestly everyone i knew selling dope growing up spent money like they won the lottery...so catching them out in public would have been easy. Too many innocent people get hurt and killed now...
 
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37L1 said:
BS, read the warrant. They did a controlled buy.
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The police witnessed none of it and they got bad intel. No black tar heroin and no 9mm pistol. The CI was lying or the cops are lying about the CI.
 
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#6,972
n_huffhines said:
The police witnessed none of it and they got bad intel. No black tar heroin and no 9mm pistol. The CI was lying or the cops are lying about the CI.
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It getting rough for old 37 in here. Can't we just appreciate the job they did in offing these people who were obviously a drain on society? I mean, they had a bag of weed in their home!
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Well if we're going to sale it at pop up 7 11s at every corner how manys going to try it because it's now legal?

Then when those people lose their job and need money for more whose house they coming in?
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You can’t honestly think there is massive pent up demand for people to shoot heroin, they’re just afraid of being busted. If you made all drugs legal I think you would see a decent increase in pot(if employers change their testing) and a very slight increase in harder stuff. The people who want to do coke are doing it. The people who want heroin are getting it. If you’re concerned about the societal costs, dismantling the criminal justice system that has grown up around this “war” will provide billions for PSA’s and treatment. And imagine the billions spent on indigent care for bangers shooting other bangers over drug turf and rip jobs.

I want to make clear that I have no personal interest in legalization other than the economic and societal ramifications. I’ve never taken anything not prescribed to me and wouldn’t if it were legal. But this war on drugs is such an asinine waste of money that could be doing a lot of good somewhere else in our country.
 
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