To Protect and to Serve II

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tumscalcium said:
We haven’t been in a true war since Vietnam, though that was a conflict. Even that’s debatable since we weren’t in it to win it, just pussyfooted around keeping the North at bay. Then just left.
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We dropped more bombs in Vietnam than the allies did during all of World War II.

It was a war. An illegal war, or as you say "conflict".
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
OK, let's say I'm only 29. Does Desert Storm count as a real war? How about Afghanistan/Iraq under W. Bush?

Not sure why nation building escapades in your mind dont count as real wars when real people on both sides died.
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Yes they're real wars. Just because technology today(or then) allows us to launch an attack from hundreds of miles off the coast doesn't matter.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
@n_huffhines ☝️
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We're already using too much force to fight a dumb war on drugs. If you have a cop killer holed up alone, go for it. Flashbanging all corners of the house just to serve a search warrant is the most reckless thing I've ever heard. Do you know how often they get the wrong house? How many drug houses have kids in there? They didn't know if there were kids in this house cause they didn't do the due diligence.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So?... 55k men died half a world away over a nonsense "conflict".

And you say "so"...
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”So” was the bombs dropped. But you knew that.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Vietnam was bs. BS because we weren’t there to win. The whole strategy was BS. That’s beside the fact that we shouldn’t have been there to begin with.

We’ve had no issue dispatching the enemy. Our problems have always come from piss poor strategy and being too nice.
 
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I agree with that part, Tums. War is no time to play nice, we also need to mind our own business far more often. If we do choose to send our forces to war, it needs to be total war, with no punches pulled and a clear cut exit strategy before we put boots on the ground. The Israelis do it right. We pussyfoot around, bc we are hamstrung by garbage rules of engagement like ,"do not fire until fired upon" and the like. The enemy knows this and acts accordingly to outmaneuver our forces. Nation building is a liberal pipe dream, no excuse for being in the Stan for 17 years nor Iraq for 20...the locals see us as occupying arseholes...not big brothers trying to help bring a better way of life. We are intruders to them, and so they harbor our enemies. Linebacker1 and linebacker2 are the best proof that we intentionally lost the Viet nam war. Had we continued to carpet bomb the country that way, we could have certainly won the war. Instead, we chose to fight the enemy on their terms, in a jungle they were raised in but we had never fought in before, with guerilla tactics and tunnel systems we had also never encountered. Dumbest **** ever...in a war that only took place so the rich folks behind the military industrail complex and the bankers could get even richer. My stepdad was drafted and fought there. My whole family is military, and all agree we should have never been in that craphole country to begin with.
 
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Dog shot by Mount Carmel police officer Chief said officer forced to make split-second decision


The officer who shot Juniper was upset after the incident, Lockhart said. "That's the last thing we want to do," he added

Officers in this situation don't have the luxury of hindsight and a dog's actions are the only indication of its intentions, Lockhart explained.



I tell ya, postal workers and pizza delivery people must be extraordinary people. I’ve never heard of them killing a dog.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Dog shot by Mount Carmel police officer Chief said officer forced to make split-second decision


The officer who shot Juniper was upset after the incident, Lockhart said. "That's the last thing we want to do," he added

Officers in this situation don't have the luxury of hindsight and a dog's actions are the only indication of its intentions, Lockhart explained.



I tell ya, postal workers and pizza delivery people must be extraordinary people. I’ve never heard of them killing a dog.
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I hope someone files a FOIA request on that body cam. I want to see how his quick thinking thwarted an attack from an 11 year old dog with dysplasia.
 
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Never had much use for anyone who was mean to...or killed...an animal for no reason. Regardless of who they were.

So stay on it, DTH. Let's see how this one plays out.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I hope someone files a FOIA request on that body cam. I want to see how his quick thinking thwarted an attack from an 11 year old dog with dysplasia.
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I’ve got a dog that old with dysphasia and muscle atrophy (and cataracts), and there are still times he can move and be very protective when he chooses to do so. I’d like to see that cam footage as well. That situation could go either way, and it is possible that dog was Avery real threat. It wasn’t a small dog and the lady admitted it did bark at people.
 
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So I don’t want to highjack the thread but I’m curious what you guys thoughts are on this. I really only bring it up here since, with me being a healthcare professional, the (at least perceived) lack accountability in healthcare has come up several times in this thread.

What do you guys think about the Vanderbilt nurse who’s being criminally charged after a medication error lead to one of her patients death?

There’s obviously plenty of info out there but the abbreviated story is...
Patient went for a full body MRI and was prescribed Versed (a sedative) due to claustrophobia. Nurse went to Pixis (medication vending machine) and the medication hadn’t yet appeared on patient’s med list yet so she used an override to get it. The problem is she grabbed vecuronium (a paralytic) by mistake. Administered the med and put the patient in the scan. Pulled her out 30 minutes later and she had obviously arrested. They called a code and were able to “revive her” but she had suffered irreversible brain damage. Family withdrew care a few days later.

That was late 2017 but this week she was arrested and charged with reckless homicide.

Was the charge justified?

Like I said... Maybe this doesn’t belong here but accountability of HCPs has been brought up several times.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
So I don’t want to highjack the thread but I’m curious what you guys thoughts are on this. I really only bring it up here since, with me being a healthcare professional, the (at least perceived) lack accountability in healthcare has come up several times in this thread.

What do you guys think about the Vanderbilt nurse who’s being criminally charged after a medication error lead to one of her patients death?

There’s obviously plenty of info out there but the abbreviated story is...
Patient went for a full body MRI and was prescribed Versed (a sedative) due to claustrophobia. Nurse went to Pixis (medication vending machine) and the medication hadn’t yet appeared on patient’s med list yet so she used an override to get it. The problem is she grabbed vecuronium (a paralytic) by mistake. Administered the med and put the patient in the scan. Pulled her out 30 minutes later and she had obviously arrested. They called a code and were able to “revive her” but she had suffered irreversible brain damage. Family withdrew care a few days later.

That was late 2017 but this week she was arrested and charged with reckless homicide.

Was the charge justified?

Like I said... Maybe this doesn’t belong here but accountability of HCPs has been brought up several times.
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@NurseGoodVol
NurseGoodVol had a comment about that a while back. Due to the override, she got herself in trouble, was what I took away from that.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
So I don’t want to highjack the thread but I’m curious what you guys thoughts are on this. I really only bring it up here since, with me being a healthcare professional, the (at least perceived) lack accountability in healthcare has come up several times in this thread.

What do you guys think about the Vanderbilt nurse who’s being criminally charged after a medication error lead to one of her patients death?

There’s obviously plenty of info out there but the abbreviated story is...
Patient went for a full body MRI and was prescribed Versed (a sedative) due to claustrophobia. Nurse went to Pixis (medication vending machine) and the medication hadn’t yet appeared on patient’s med list yet so she used an override to get it. The problem is she grabbed vecuronium (a paralytic) by mistake. Administered the med and put the patient in the scan. Pulled her out 30 minutes later and she had obviously arrested. They called a code and were able to “revive her” but she had suffered irreversible brain damage. Family withdrew care a few days later.

That was late 2017 but this week she was arrested and charged with reckless homicide.

Was the charge justified?

Like I said... Maybe this doesn’t belong here but accountability of HCPs has been brought up several times.
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Yes, she should be charged.
 
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NYPD Orders Google To Stop Showing People Where Cops Are

“The NYPD has become aware that the Waze Mobile application ...currently permits the public to report DWI checkpoints throughout New York City and map these locations. Accordingly, we demand that Google LLC, upon receipt of this letter, immediately remove this function from the Waze application.”

“Further, the NYPD requests that Google take every necessary precaution to ensure that GPS data of NYPD DWI checkpoints, or any other substantially similar data, is not uploaded or posted at a future time on the Waze Mobile application, google.com, Google maps, or any other associated internet/websites, or web portals and platforms under Google LLC’s, its partners’ sponsors’ or affiliates’ control.”
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“The NYPD will pursue all legal remedies to prevent the continued posting of this irresponsible and dangerous information,” Prunty added.

The app has infuriated police for years because it allows users to gain an upper hand on the harassment and revenue generating schemes police often engage in. Now with the recent tensions between police and the public hitting new heights, the push against this equalizing technology has been stronger than ever before.
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