Democrat Rep. Steve Cohen (TN) introduces bill to eliminate the electoral college

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NorthDallas40 said:
No I’m definitely right. And the amendment process of the constitution says I’ll be right for a long time. What’s your 38 state vote count to say I’m wrong.

The upper house of Congress and POTUS represent their constituents... the United States of America. The lower house represents the people.
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So the POTUS represents the states but not the citizens of those states and senators represent their state but not the citizens of their state (people), but the house represents the people and not the district they represent? Yeah, that makes sense. Keep hanging on to that thread as it continues to unravel.
 
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luthervol said:
"Butthert" may be the most overused, juvenile, and meaningless term in the English language.
But yeah, I'm still taken aback by the fact that I live in a county that suffered a brief (hopefully) period of temporary insanity severe enough that it allowed a person as despicable as Trump to become the POTUS.
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You can't even spell it correctly... STFU
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Your ideology is a load of crap and a plague on the very foundation upon which the greatest country in the world was founded on.
Your socialistic BS is just that.... BS
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As much as I try (which in reality is not much at all), I can just never take you seriously.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
And I’ve rejected your argument as having any validity multiple times and provided references why I’m right. I believe the entire basis of your argument is wrong. We do not utilize universal suffrage and never will. We utilize an EC.

France abolished their EC one or two Republics ago and are now universal suffrage. And they’ve got a bunch of elitist globalist dictating the shots and people are rioting in the streets. THAT is why our founders stuck to an EC.
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The founders stuck to the electoral college because they knew France would adopt 175 years later for one election in the 1950s and then abandon it? Sounds plausible.

"The first presidential election of the Fifth Republic which elected Charles de Gaulle was the only presidential election where the winner was determined via an electoral college. The electoral college was replaced after the 1962 referendum, with direct elections by popular vote, using a Two-round system since 1965."
 
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Carl Pickens said:
It's because you're too busy worrying about your IBS and Trump causing you to soil yourself and secretly protest at work
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I guess it could be that, or maybe it is the fact that pretty much everything you post is both stupid and juvenile. (see your above post)
 
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luthervol said:
So the POTUS represents the states but not the citizens of those states and senators represent their state but not the citizens of their state (people), but the house represents the people and not the district they represent? Yeah, that makes sense. Keep hanging on to that thread as it continues to unravel.
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Yep, was going to say the same. Basically, means whenever someone says "My senators are X and Y" that statement is necessarily false. I think most people would be shocked that they're voting for people who don't, by constitutional structure, represent them.
 
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luthervol said:
So the POTUS represents the states but not the citizens of those states and senators represent their state but not the citizens of their state (people), but the house represents the people and not the district they represent? Yeah, that makes sense. Keep hanging on to that thread as it continues to unravel.
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Who ratified the constitution? What process for selecting POTUS is called out in the constitution?

Keep ignoring reality.
 
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evillawyer said:
Yep, was going to say the same. Basically, means whenever someone says "My senators are X and Y" that statement is necessarily false. I think most people would be shocked that they're voting for people who don't, by constitutional structure, represent them.
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Superdelegates...
 
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evillawyer said:
The founders stuck to the electoral college because they knew France would adopt 175 years later for one election in the 1950s and then abandon it? Sounds plausible.

"The first presidential election of the Fifth Republic which elected Charles de Gaulle was the only presidential election where the winner was determined via an electoral college. The electoral college was replaced after the 1962 referendum, with direct elections by popular vote, using a Two-round system since 1965."
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Lol nice non sequitor 😂 truly.

Okay it was three French republics before the current fifth Republic changed to universal suffrage. Doesn’t change my point.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Who ratified the constitution? What process for selecting POTUS is called out in the constitution?

Keep ignoring reality.
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The states ratified the Constitution; the EC elects the president. How does that entail who senators and the president represent. It a nonstarter of an argument.

Technically, your argument would entail that the POTUS represents the members of the EC.
 
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evillawyer said:
The states ratified the Constitution; the EC elects the president. How does that entail who senators and the president represent. It a nonstarter of an argument.

Technically, your argument would entail that the POTUS represents the members of the EC.
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The equality of states is selection of POTUS and the upper house of Congress. The people are represented in the lower house.

Your premise of the US being a true democracy is the only non starter here.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Who ratified the constitution? What process for selecting POTUS is called out in the constitution?

Keep ignoring reality.
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How did the constitution outline the election of senators? How are senators elected today?
Hint: the two answers are different.
 
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luthervol said:
How did the constitution outline the election of senators? How are senators elected today?
Hint: the two answers are different.
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Already been addressed earlier. Hint: not for the reason you are implying.

Senator appointments were not changed due to wanting the popular vote. State legislatures would be in grid lock leaving the seats empty for months or sometimes years. Thus a change was made to mitigate the politics. Not make a change to enhance politics like you want to do now.

U.S. Senate: Direct Election of Senators
 
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Really don't blame Luther or his colleagues for wanting to change the electoral system... their entire premise is and has been to get the masses under government control. And to implement a tax structure that goes after the top few % (Tippy Tops), after they are drained of their money, the tax fleecing with trickle down... this process will take several years to get to the final outcome, there ain't no mo money...and low and behold, we are Venezuela. Then what? Well...just keep an eye on the evolving story in Venezuela.

Going after big corporations drives them off shore... Trump is bringing them back, not to have you do a money grab, but to create jobs here under a fair system of taxation... and you all wonder how the hell we elected a person like Trump, you ought to be ashamed of your greedy ways and rethink this thing. I would argue the next candidate the dims put up for POTUS would as well have a lot of baggage that could bring them down if you want to ride that high horse.

Get over it, jump on board and help make this country great again... just show some pride and stand with Trump.
 
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luthervol said:
"Butthert" may be the most overused, juvenile, and meaningless term in the English language.
But yeah, I'm still taken aback by the fact that I live in a county that suffered a brief (hopefully) period of temporary insanity severe enough that it allowed a person as despicable as Trump to become the POTUS.
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Aww, bless your little pea picking heart. Six more years of crying & such misery for you loony libs.
 
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If Republicans had won two recent popular votes, yet lost due to the electoral college, they would be making the exact same arguments for ending it.

If you don't admit that, you're not being honest.
 
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Velo Vol said:
If Republicans had won two recent popular votes, yet lost due to the electoral college, they would be making the exact same arguments for ending it.

If you don't admit that, you're not being honest.
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The Republicans know that the EC is the only thing keeping the population centers with their welfare system dependent votes from locking down the presidency for eternity. And the less populous states know if they vote for popular vote their voice is further diminished to about 5 population centers and are never going to willlingly agree to do so.

If you don’t admit that you’re not being honest.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The Republicans know that the EC is the only thing keeping the population centers with their welfare system dependent votes from locking down the presidency for eternity. And the less populous states know if they vote for popular vote their voice is further diminished to about 5 population centers and are never going to willlingly agree to do so.

If you don’t admit that you’re not being honest.
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I will agree that republicans know that they are a growing minority and small states and rural voters are their only tether to any bit of power, but it's not because of welfare system dependent votes......that's just right wing bs.
 
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luthervol said:
I will agree that republicans know that they are a growing minority and small states and rural voters are their only tether to any bit of power, but it's not because of welfare system dependent votes......that's just right wing bs.
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Hahahahaha!!!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The Republicans know that the EC is the only thing keeping the population centers with their welfare system dependent votes from locking down the presidency for eternity. And the less populous states know if they vote for popular vote their voice is further diminished to about 5 population centers and are never going to willlingly agree to do so.

If you don’t admit that you’re not being honest.
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You do realize the majority of welfare recipients are in Republican states. They are called welfare states for a reason.
 
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