Democrat Rep. Steve Cohen (TN) introduces bill to eliminate the electoral college

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evillawyer said:
Presumably the "mob" refers to a majority of something (states, people). How does the EC, at least as in functions in practice where the electors simply follow how the citizens of their state voted, act as a check on the "mob"? Now I could see the EC acting as a check on the mob if the electors truly voted how they wished, but that's not how it works in practice.
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Us: Constitutional Republic!

EL: lalalalalala!! I can’t hear you!

How’s that 38 state vote count coming?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Not as hard as basic grade school civics for you.
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You're conflating something being the case and why that thing is justified, warranted, good, etc. Just saying we have an EC that has such and such effects is not a justification for that thing or the effects it has.
 
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Velo Vol said:
It's only disproportionate power if you understand math.
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Oh and nice ignoring the second part. Lalalalala! From you too I guess
This is a dead end debate. You need 38 states to agree to do this. What is your current vote tally? You guys love “poles” surely you have some data by now!
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So what’s your state vote tally on those willing to minimize their voice “internets expert”...? 😂
 
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EC/US Senate are redistributions of political power from the populous states to the unpopulous ones. They were instituted to get the small states to ratify the constitution. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Us: Constitutional Republic!

EL: lalalalalala!! I can’t hear you!

How’s that 38 state vote count coming?
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You do realize that a republic simply requires having representatives. That can be done through a pure democratic vote or something like the EC. Get rid of the EC and we still very much have a constitutional republic.
 
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evillawyer said:
You're conflating something being the case and why that thing is justified, warranted, good, etc. Just saying we have an EC that has such and such effects is not a justification for that thing or the effects it has.
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You’re ignoring our actual form of government to try and win your dumbass argument.

State vote count? Whatcha got? Still waiting
 
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Velo Vol said:
EC/US Senate are redistributions of political power from the populous states to the unpopulous ones. They were instituted to get the small states to ratify the constitution. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Thanks for proving our point. The less populous states insured their voice was protected. And it still is today.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
That would require them to buy guns and use them. They’re too afraid of them to do that.

They should just all donn pink vagina hats, make little plastic baggie grenades of the San Fran street human excrement, and invade Mexico while shrieking loudly wearing their vagina hats and slinging human poo. That’s pretty much what they do here.

That should work... until they hit the poppy and weed fields.😏
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First time I get hit by a vagina hat, I’m coming off the hook.
 
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evillawyer said:
You do realize that a republic simply requires having representatives. That can be done through a pure democratic vote or something like the EC. Get rid of the EC and we still very much have a constitutional republic.
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Nope. The republic for us is the “United States”. They are the Republic’s constituents. And they are equal constituents.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
You’re ignoring our actual form of government to try and win your dumbass argument.

State vote count? Whatcha got? Still waiting
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I'm not ignoring the form of government we have. How can I be ignoring it if I want to change it? As I said, the fact that something is the case is not it's own justification. I keep asking for a justification, and all I get from you is, effectively, "well that's the way it is, suck it!"
 
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evillawyer said:
I'm not ignoring the form of government we have. How can I be ignoring it if I want to change it? As I said, the fact that something is the case is not it's own justification. I keep asking for a justification, and all I get from you is, effectively, "well that's the way it is, suck it!"
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Yep! Get used to hearing it! We’ve told you why. You just won’t hear it. Lalalalalala!!!

State vote count?
 
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RavinDave said:
Math? More like meth...

It’s just one of many “sore loser bills” we’re likely to see from the Dems in this Congress.
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Of course it won't go anywhere. No way the square states with 37 people each are giving up their disproportionate say.
 
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evillawyer said:
Presumably the "mob" refers to a majority of something (states, people). How does the EC, at least as in functions in practice where the electors simply follow how the citizens of their state voted, act as a check on the "mob"? Now I could see the EC acting as a check on the mob if the electors truly voted how they wished, but that's not how it works in practice.
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Seems to have worked pretty well for over 200 years. That is until you throw a hissy fit when your gal doesn't win.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
And to be an equal constituent in the Republic they would be idiots for doing so.
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And we're still on our first republic after nearly 250 years while France in the same span of time is on what, their fifth?

And France's current one is looking a bit shaky right now.

@evillawyer I'd wager your views would be a bit more mainstream over there...
 
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evillawyer said:
How does giving smaller states disproportionate power prevent mob rule? Is there something about where you live that makes you part of a mob?
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What’s disproportionate? Are you under the impression Wyoming has as many electoral votes than California? Are you aware California has many more congressman than Wyoming? Do you know these things?
 
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tumscalcium said:
What’s disproportionate? Are you under the impression Wyoming has as many electoral votes than California? Are you aware California has many more congressman than Wyoming? Do you know these things?
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Wyoming = 579,000 people. 3 votes in EC.

California = 39.5 million people. 55 votes in the EC.

Wyoming thus gets 1 EC vote for every 193,000 people.
California gets1 EC vote for every 718,000 people.

Seem fair?
 
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