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#77
#77
Behr said:
Prove most of it is crap. What is an example of the "crap"?. Seriously. I do believe some things get exaggerated, but to claim " most is crap" and just a fan copout without any proof is crap.
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Back to this post....Why would this family invest so much into UT if they wanted UT to fail? Does that make any sense? If you've listened to Knoxville Sports Talk radio the HOH has been a popular scapegoat for UT football's recent failures over the past year.
 
#78
#78
Behr said:
I remember every bit of it.

And I've got to stfu for about two hours as I've got to go to church. Yes, I go because I need to, if you couldn't tell. Lulz. I ain't done tho.
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Say a few for me while you're there. I'm on hold with Geek Squad! :(
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
I got it. Wasn’t trying to cause trouble, but I struggle to find real facts on what is happening at UT. It doesn’t help that I live in TX and only get to campus 2-3 times a year now. If any booster is trying to unduly influence the UTAD, then they need to be called out on it. The Haslams have provided a lot of financial support over the years, but it doesn’t give them or other boosters the right to use their money to handcuff the school’s athletics. I would like to see a real reporter dig into some of this stuff.
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Buy the book I posted a page or two back. Eye opening.
 
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Boca Vol said:
So were the Haslams involved in Fulmer being hired, Pruitt being hired, Pruitt's staff?
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Don't know.
Guesses from what I learned previously?
Fulmer- no clue at all
Pruitt- very doubtful (maybe mentioned to Big Jim out of respect)
Assistants - highly unlikely unless you're talking about Freeze. Then I'd guess their opinion would be known *if Pruitt had intentions of following through. Which I don't even think he did.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Back to this post....Why would this family invest so much into UT if they wanted UT to fail? Does that make any sense? If you've listened to Knoxville Sports Talk radio the HOH has been a popular scapegoat for UT football's recent failures over the past year.
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Boca it's not that they want them to fail. They think they need to be at the top of all decisions. Running a buisness is alot different than running a football team. See Cleveland Browns.
 
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Behr said:
Prove most of it is crap. What is an example of the "crap"?. Seriously. I do believe some things get exaggerated, but to claim " most is crap" and just a fan copout without any proof is crap.
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I like it. You called his crap crap. Haslam does cause issues
 
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Boca, did you read my three posts about the book I posted? The Alan Jones interview is very telling especially the second part I had to screenshot.
 
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chargervol said:
Sorry for the followingTl;Dr but I know you actually pay attention.


I spent a lot of time doing tons of research and talking with people. (Btw, ya'll should pay attention to Beecher on this)

You've pretty much got it dead on. Each Haslam is different, Big Jim being the better of all.
Bill does some good things, that should be admitted.
Jimmy wants his money to override everything and he sucks at football. Bad combination.

Boca is a little right and a LOT wrong.
The "HOH" isn't close to weighing in on every little decision, not even fb if it's assistants etc;
What he ignores, they do have the most say in who runs things at the top. And those people take serious consideration of what they want when they hire others or vote etc.

So they have the say over a few but yet biggest decisions. But they also affect many other decisions simply by proxy.
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Spot on.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Back to this post....Why would this family invest so much into UT if they wanted UT to fail? Does that make any sense? If you've listened to Knoxville Sports Talk radio the HOH has been a popular scapegoat for UT football's recent failures over the past year.
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You do understand that there is a difference between "wanting something to fail" and being arrogant enough to believe your answer is always the best one,. Right?

Between wanting failure and being immature enough to override others because you believe you're never wrong?

Petty enough for payback on rare occasions if you don't get your way?

There really is a difference between wanting to do UT any harm and just believing you know what's best. Then having the means to push that will on others. No matter how much your previous results suggesting this is one thing that you're just not very good at.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Walk around campus and look at their names on things. The benefit to academics is massive. Therefore they will wield as much influence as they want for the most part. Though Big Jim is closing in on 90 and doesn't care as much about meddling as many on here would have you believe.
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It’s not big Jim I’m concerned with. He’s a good man. His son with his name is the one that concerns me. He’s managed to get Pilot into a federal trial that sent people to jail - don’t tell me the CEO of a privately held company didn’t know what was going on - and probably should have landed there himself, he’s taken the Browns from bad to worse and he’s had enormous influence over this program over the last decade or so and it’s been pretty well documented with the hirings and firings that have set us back 15 years. It’s his lack of judgement that is concerning. How much they give, I have no idea, but I’d say JH Jr sees himself as the big swinging d*** in the room.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Does anybody know what kind of bank they donate annually to UT to warrant such (apparent) control? If they are truly bankrolling the entire athletic department (which I highly doubt) and the track record of the program since they have been donating is similar to that of an Enron chart, why would the BOD still allow it to continue? I get it that (to quote Animal House) "We need the dues". But damn...

Thoughts?
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You answered your own question. Money. The BOT will never turn down free money, especially from a family full of UT alumni.
 
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#88
chargervol said:
You do understand that there is a difference between "wanting something to fail" and being arrogant enough to believe your answer is always the best one,. Right?

Between wanting failure and being immature enough to override others because you believe you're never wrong?

Petty enough for payback on rare occasions if you don't get your way?

There really is a difference between wanting to do UT any harm and just believing you know what's best. Then having the means to push that will on others. No matter how much your previous results suggesting this is one thing that you're just not very good at.
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Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner!!!
 
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chargervol said:
You do understand that there is a difference between "wanting something to fail" and being arrogant enough to believe your answer is always the best one,. Right?

Between wanting failure and being immature enough to override others because you believe you're never wrong?

Petty enough for payback on rare occasions if you don't get your way?

There really is a difference between wanting to do UT any harm and just believing you know what's best. Then having the means to push that will on others. No matter how much your previous results suggesting this is one thing that you're just not very good at.
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Simple question. Why would the Haslams donate so much money to the institution if they were trying to sabotage it? They obviously love UT. If not, then show me anyone that donates money to schools they hope fail. Offer some proof, if not, stfu about their intent.
 
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BigBadVol said:
Simple question. Why would the Haslams donate so much money to the institution if they were trying to sabotage it? They obviously love UT. If not, then show me anyone that donates money to schools they hope fail. Offer some proof, if not, stfu about their intent.
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Have you read the whole thread? No? Then why are you posting?
 
#94
#94
Boca Vol said:
Prove to me it's not crap! See. It works both ways.
If the HOH existed as fans want to believe then wouldn't an OC have already been hired and shoved down the fans' throats?
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In actual fact it does not work both ways. Proving something in the affirmative or that something exists is possible, whereas, proving something in the negative (that something is nonexistent or does not exist) is a near logical impossibility. It would also be a mistake to assume that just because the Haslams may not be involved in the OC hire that they have not been heavily involved in other big decisions involving athletics and football, in particular, like the hiring of Greg Schiano.
 
#95
#95
Orange_Vol1321 said:
Just a little research would have kept you from posting this.
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That silly book you've been hawking in this and other threads? Quoting a guy who got rich on check loans?

That nonsense you posted about not stopping at a Pilot if you were out of gas shows your hatred.

I'm ROFLMAO if you call that "research."
 
#96
#96
Boca Vol said:
I don't hate Tennessee fans. I can't stand stupid fans...although the Gruden mess was a lot of fun.

If you don't recall the scenario where Gruden was getting the Haslam's house on Lyons View then go back and read it. There were realtors based in FL that were checking into it...LOL.

And yes, MOST OF THE CRAP ON THE HASLAMS...IS CRAP! That family has given more to UT than most of us could ever dream. I still say that UT is better off with their money than without it. If you disagree, then fine. Otherwise, STFU!
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I think about Jesus's parable about the poor old widow who gave her only coin and the rich people who gave a lot but it really didn't cost them anything to give it. What do the Haslams really give?
 
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Boca Vol said:
Back to this post....Why would this family invest so much into UT if they wanted UT to fail? Does that make any sense? If you've listened to Knoxville Sports Talk radio the HOH has been a popular scapegoat for UT football's recent failures over the past year.
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Bc some people's idea of success is tied to their control over that success.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Does anybody know what kind of bank they donate annually to UT to warrant such (apparent) control? If they are truly bankrolling the entire athletic department (which I highly doubt) and the track record of the program since they have been donating is similar to that of an Enron chart, why would the BOD still allow it to continue? I get it that (to quote Animal House) "We need the dues". But damn...

Thoughts?
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Because bod is appointed by Gov. Haslam
 
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