Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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drylo said:
It’s simple, really. It doesn’t matter who this Brenda person is — the point people are making is that we shouldn’t be making a hire based on anyone’s Twitter virtue-signaling, which I generally agree with. And if Tennessee’s “history” she’s talking about is settling a Title IX case, then her point is particularly unpersuasive. Of course UT settled the case — the only other alternative was to litigate it for years to an ultimate conclusion, which isn’t much of a choice. And the highest profile allegation at the center of that case was the AJ Johnson situation, and we all know how that ended up when it actually went before a real court.
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She’s held in high regards to HC’s across the country. She speaks to CFB teams all across the country. She isn’t just some irrelevant person “twitter virtue signaling”. Regardless if you think Briles should be hired or not she brings up valid points and nothing she said was incorrect
 
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Smokey123 said:
I think even potentially being part of it makes it a pretty big deal and one any university should consider heavily. And I agree, he’s 100% fine to seek employment but that doesn’t mean UT or any other school or administration can reject him for that reason instead of coaching.

Defending his father directly after his firing isn’t a good look either
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You’re right 👍, I had the exact same views on the dude from Ohio State we almost hired last year.
 
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Geaux_Vols said:
Tracy has been an advocate against sexual violence in collegiate sports for years, speaking at campuses across the country. She, herself a survivor of sexual assault at the hands of multiple athletes, does good, necessary work. It’d great if we could avoid diminishing her because she happens to be saying true things about a person we considered for a job. Let’s be above it, shall we?
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Her story is gut-wrenching and yet her approach to educating young men is uplifting. It's not about guilt or feeling sorry but rather just understanding that sometimes young people find themselves in a place where they can speak up and change what might become a very bad outcome and giving them the reference points and confidence to do so.

She believes that when armed with the confidence to speak up and knowledge, young men and young male athletes are the solution to a lot of campus issues. I agree with her and remember when our own Berry twins took on a teammate who was stepping too far out of line. Every one of us, regardless of gender, is in fact our brother's (and sister's) keeper.
 
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Big Orange#1 said:
You’re right 👍, I had the exact same views on the dude from Ohio State we almost hired last year.
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Yea, I think they’re somewhat similar. I don’t think you can simply over look Briles because there wasn’t a criminal conviction. I mean, if we’re being honest what are the chances he didn’t know? I would say close to zero. Defending Art after his firing also rubbed me the wrong way. But bringing him as OCis also different than bringing him as HC.

I don’t necessarily think he shouldn’t be hired, but I likely won’t defend it if we do.

I think I’d probably view it a little different if he took accountability, as she said. To my knowledge he’s refused to even answer questions about it
 
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Smokey123 said:
Yea, I think they’re somewhat similar. I don’t think you can simply over look Briles because there wasn’t a criminal conviction. I mean, if we’re being honest what are the chances he didn’t know? I would say close to zero. Defending Art after his firing also rubbed me the wrong way. But bringing him as OCis also different than bringing him as HC.

I don’t necessarily think he shouldn’t be hired, but I likely won’t defend it if we do.

I think I’d probably view it a little different if he took accountability, as she said. To my knowledge he’s refused to even answer questions about it
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It's his dad. That's a pretty awkward position to have to condemn your own father to a national audience.
 
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UTProf said:
Her story is gut-wrenching and yet her approach to educating young men is uplifting. It's not about guilt or feeling sorry but rather just understanding that sometimes young people find themselves in a place where they can speak up and change what might become a very bad outcome and giving them the reference points and confidence to do so.

She believes that when armed with the confidence to speak up and knowledge, young men and young male athletes are the solution to a lot of campus issues. I agree with her and remember when our own Berry twins took on a teammate who was stepping too far out of line. Every one of us, regardless of gender, is in fact our brother's (and sister's) keeper.
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It’s amazing to me she able to speak with Mike Riley and was able to forgive him and said this about him:
“You could literally see the whole room turn and look at Coach Riley. … It was intense. I saw them all look. I could feel it. Not too long after that, I started talking about the idea that he didn’t have to bring me here. Even under those circumstances, he didn’t have to bring me here. This is what accountability looks like. This is what transparency looks like. This is how we get things done, and (they) should be appreciative that they have a coach like this as their mentor, their example of how to deal with something like this.
“We talked about how it’s OK to say sorry. It’s OK to be accountable. It’s OK to stand up and say, ‘I didn’t do something right,’ or ‘I did something wrong,’ and move on from there. Sometimes when you wrong another person, all they really want is an apology.”
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She spoke with Briles earlier in the year and still came away with the above tweet
 
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jjay2518 said:
It's his dad. That's a pretty awkward position to have to condemn your own father to a national audience.
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His first statement was a letter he had written that he posted on twitter (now deleted because he received hate for it). It wasn’t like it was an interview in front of the media
 
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Smokey123 said:
It’s amazing to me she able to speak with Mike Riley and was able to forgive him and said this about him: She spoke with Briles earlier in the year and still came away with the above tweet
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She has every reason in the world to bitter and hate everything about college sports and yet she doesn't. That woman is made of equal parts steel and forgiveness. You won't see me casting a stone against her. She's the most understanding victim of any crime that I've ever heard speak. It's clear when speaks that while what happened to her motivates her and harmed her a great deal, what she's doing now is all about preventing it from happening to other people and empowering those who can stop it. I love everything about the work she does. We need a thousand more of her.

I don't like to get theological on here but to me she embodies what forgiveness is all about -- even the part that those that are in the wrong (like Riley) have to be a willing participant in the forgiveness by acknowledging that they have done wrong. But when everyone meets on those terms it's amazing.
 
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Smokey123 said:
I think even potentially being part of it makes it a pretty big deal and one any university should consider heavily. And I agree, he’s 100% fine to seek employment but that doesn’t mean UT or any other school or administration cant reject him for that reason instead of coaching.

Defending his father directly after his firing isn’t a good look either
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If you were on that staff and were never convicted of a crime, whether you knew something was going on or not, do you feel it is fair your career be ruined based on an assumption and not facts?
 
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reVOLution33 said:
If you were on that staff and were never convicted of a crime, whether you knew something was going on or not, do you feel it is fair your career be ruined based on an assumption and not facts?
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Aside from football, sports in general, and the entertainment business, where could any of us expect to not have even minor crimes not be used against us when interviewing for a job? Hell, we still refuse federal aid/scholarships to undergrads if they were caught smoking weed in high school/prior to enrolling. I said prior that if Briles is who we wind up hiring and the majority is ok with it then that's fine (it speaks to our desperation to finally start winning) but I also said we can't pretend we're not hypocrites for it.

Like everyone else we should have to live with our choices. FWIW, I was ok with living with Freeze's sins but I'm not sure I'm ok living with Briles (not that I have any say).
 
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reVOLution33 said:
If you were on that staff and were never convicted of a crime, whether you knew something was going on or not, do you feel it is fair your career be ruined based on an assumption and not facts?
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Yes. Would I hope for a second chance? Of course but I’d be vocal about what happened while I was there was unacceptable. As I’ve said before, it’s a privilege to coach or get any job, I’m not entitled to any job or an AD/Coach to overlook what they think to be wrong.

If I didn’t genuinely know about it, would I be upset? Of course
 
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UTProf said:
Aside from football, sports in general, and the entertainment business, where could any of us expect to not have even minor crimes not be used against us when interviewing for a job? Hell, we still refuse federal aid/scholarships to undergrads if they were caught smoking weed in high school/prior to enrolling. I said prior that if Briles is who we wind up hiring and the majority is ok with it then that's fine (it speaks to our desperation to finally start winning) but I also said we can't pretend we're not hypocrites for it.

Like everyone else we should have to live with our choices. FWIW, I was ok with living with Freeze's sins but I'm not sure I'm ok living with Briles (not that I have any say).
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100% agree. I’m sure the same media that said Schiano’s potential baggage from Psu was a non-story would talk bad about the Briles hire and the fans for accepting(loving?) it, but they’d have a great point and would be right about the hypocrisy.

Yea I really wanted Freeze. But clearly there was other stuff that we fans didn’t know about
 
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Smokey123 said:
Yes. Would I hope for a second chance? Of course but I’d be vocal about what happened while I was there was unacceptable. As I’ve said before, it’s a privilege to coach or get any job, I’m not entitled to any job or an AD/Coach to overlook what they think to be wrong.

If I didn’t genuinely know about it, would I be upset? Of course
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So you feel it is fair to ruin someone's name/life on assumptions?!?! What happened with "innocent until proven guilty?" He was never charged with anything, so why should he speak. If he was innocent and said something no one would have believed him and persecuted him, saying he is a liar and would have possibly gotten death threats. If he was guilty and said he was innocent no one would have believed him and the same would have happened to him.
 
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Smokey123 said:
100% agree. I’m sure the same media that said Schiano’s potential baggage from Psu was a non-story would talk bad about the Briles hire and the fans for accepting(loving?) it, but they’d have a great point and would be right about the hypocrisy.

Yea I really wanted Freeze. But clearly there was other stuff that we fans didn’t know about
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Haha! Hypocrisy!
 
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reVOLution33 said:
So you feel it is fair to ruin someone's name/life on assumptions?!?! What happened with "innocent until proven guilty?" He was never charged with anything, so why should he speak. If he was innocent and said something no one would have believed him and persecuted him, saying he is a liar and would have possibly gotten death threats. If he was guilty and said he was innocent no one would have believed him and the same would have happened to him.
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First of all, that’s not what I said, You asked specifically about if I was in Briles shoes. Secondly, Innocent until proven guilty is for the court room, nobody is trying to send Briles to jail. Briles is not entitled to the UT job or any job, this has nothing to do with “innocent until proven guilty”,Stop making yourself look ignorant.


Wow, making assumptions about me? How dare you!! Lol.... I’ll bet my account your guess is wrong
 
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Smokey123 said:
First of all, that’s not what I said, You asked specifically about if I was in Briles shoes. Secondly, Innocent until proven guilty is for the court room, nobody is trying to send Briles to jail. Briles is not entitled to the UT job or any job, this has nothing to do with “innocent until proven guilty”,Stop making yourself look ignorant.


Wow, making assumptions about me? How dare you!! Lol.... I’ll bet my account your guess is wrong
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Exactly! So, I am saying, it is fair for someone to ruin "your" name/life based on assumptions?

"Innocent until proven guilty" has everything to do with it. Lol. The man is innocent because he was not proven guilty.

You are saying he should not be allowed to coach at the University of Tennessee because of assumptions. There are no facts to back your poor opinion of him. He is guilty of no crime, therefore, nothing should hinder him from being hired by UT unless his resume' doesn't fit the bill.

My assumptions of you are only opinions and can not be held against you. That is only an opinion. So, please, continue with your rhetoric.
 
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