Tennessee is going NOWHERE with JG

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BeardedVol said:
No quote, so doubling down as a keyboard warrior? Cool.

USCe defended the deep ball because JG rarely throws over the middle, especially under pressure where he is more likely to check down to someone behind the LOS, and Muschamp was confident that he could pressure JG with 3, 4 or 5 defensive lineman, and limit our running game at the same time.

Basic math at that point as to who DBs are going to cover when the defensive line is successful with 5 or less. The first half of that game, we were relatively successful in moving the ball, but the second half, outside of the first TD drive. His play against USCe wasn't his worst performance, it just was not good enough to win, which was the case most of the season.

High completion percentage, low interceptions, but low passing yards, low number of attempts, low number of TD passes, and he's zero threat to run, and takes as many hits when he gets the throw off, as when he doesn't. He was the best QB on our roster, but that doesn't make him a good QB who should brook no challenger in 2019.
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No one outside of K town king thinks it should be handed to him, but you have absolutley no clue how to formulate a coherent argument when it comes to football, you contradict yourself with different posts, it's obvious you just dont like JG, we get it. You dont have to take every opportunity to paint a false picture of a player. I promise you, no matter how much you whine and complain your opinion holds no bearing on who is going on the field. Also, if your opinion was worth anything, anybody worth their salt in football arenas would agree with you, however not a single national pundit has painted it that way, every single one has praised jg. The only negative news from scouts is that he obviously hasnt been de eloped to where he should be, which is no fault of his. So while I'm not going to say he is the savior and guaranteed starter, I have a funny feeling that you and a lot of your ilk, will be pretty pissed off come September when you look in the backfield.
 
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I think it's obvious that JG dropped some dimes on those 50/50. To say it was "all the receivers" is not an accurate statement. He made many good throws to the boundary, both short and long. I also thought JG was good throwing slants and quick outs on the WR screen, which Helton went totally away from later in the season, inexplicably.

Some things that JG was not good with, was deep throws with timing. He was constantly under throwing wide open receivers in the 30+ yard range. He also needs to learn to step up and avoid linemen in the pocket. He does not show natural running ability when a play breaks down, he didn't have many scrambles more than a few yards, often running right into the path of a blocking lineman or WR.

I don't see Shrout being an answer, as JG has a better overall arm and experience. Possibly Maurer will quickly secure the #2 spot next year, and hopefully push JG for playing time. More competition is needed at the QB spot.
 
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Bloomu I have never said anything should be handed to anyone.

It is clear who will be the qb and who the best option is. That is all.

I wish it wasn't so clear cut. If we had another valid option that would be great.

We don't.
 
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BloomuVol said:
No one outside of K town king thinks it should be handed to him, but you have absolutley no clue how to formulate a coherent argument when it comes to football, you contradict yourself with different posts, it's obvious you just dont like JG, we get it. You dont have to take every opportunity to paint a false picture of a player. I promise you, no matter how much you whine and complain your opinion holds no bearing on who is going on the field. Also, if your opinion was worth anything, anybody worth their salt in football arenas would agree with you, however not a single national pundit has painted it that way, every single one has praised jg. The only negative news from scouts is that he obviously hasnt been de eloped to where he should be, which is no fault of his. So while I'm not going to say he is the savior and guaranteed starter, I have a funny feeling that you and a lot of your ilk, will be pretty pissed off come September when you look in the backfield.
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I say we either recruit Jalen Hurts strongly or throw the sink at all the top ranked dual threat QBs available and play a true freshman if we have to or play Jenj8ngs in the wildcat if hes still available..... anything other than JG, the sliwedt and weakest starting QB ive ever seen at UT.

With this online we need a legit dual threat guy to buy Pruitt time to recruit better big uglies to protect a pro sryle passer.
 
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k-town_king said:
Bloomu I have never said anything should be handed to anyone.

It is clear who will be the qb and who the best option is. That is all.

I wish it wasn't so clear cut. If we had another valid option that would be great.

We don't.
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My point was that unlike you, I havent been declaring the race over. While I agree he should likely be the guy. I am not at practice so I wont declare one way or another. Wasnt saying anything bad about you, just showing the gradient within the known group of JG supporters
 
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BeardedVol said:
No quote, so doubling down as a keyboard warrior? Cool.

USCe defended the deep ball because JG rarely throws over the middle, especially under pressure where he is more likely to check down to someone behind the LOS, and Muschamp was confident that he could pressure JG with 3, 4 or 5 defensive lineman, and limit our running game at the same time.

Basic math at that point as to who DBs are going to cover when the defensive line is successful with 5 or less. The first half of that game, we were relatively successful in moving the ball, but the second half, outside of the first TD drive. His play against USCe wasn't his worst performance, it just was not good enough to win, which was the case most of the season.

High completion percentage, low interceptions, but low passing yards, low number of attempts, low number of TD passes, and he's zero threat to run, and takes as many hits when he gets the throw off, as when he doesn't. He was the best QB on our roster, but that doesn't make him a good QB who should brook no challenger in 2019.
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Wait, low number of attempts makes him a bad quarterback? And in those attempts, he has a high completion percentage in spite of Tennessee being dead last in the SEC in dropped passes. You can't really believe what you're saying.

He didn't play well enough to win in the second half against SC?

Lucky for me, the internet exists. Here are Tennessee's drives in the second half against SC excluding the final drive.

His final drive, he looked flustered. It was not great, but before that finals drive, he looked really good. He managed the game very well and didn't turn the ball over when Tennessee had a lead. It's not his fault the defense gave up 18 points in a matter of minutes while UT was keeping its offense on the field to shorten the game. He should have never had to try to win the game on a final possession in the first place.

Edit: screenshots don't include opening possession of half when UT when straight down the field for six.
 

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BloomuVol said:
My point was that unlike you, I havent been declaring the race over. While I agree he should likely be the guy. I am not at practice so I wont declare one way or another. Wasnt saying anything bad about you, just showing the gradient within the known group of JG supporters
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If JG is 2019 started i will boycott UT football. Tired of our leaders settling for mediocrity.
 
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BigOrangePaddy said:
I say we either recruit Jalen Hurts strongly or throw the sink at all the top ranked dual threat QBs available and play a true freshman if we have to or play Jenj8ngs in the wildcat if hes still available..... anything other than JG, the sliwedt and weakest starting QB ive ever seen at UT.

With this online we need a legit dual threat guy to buy Pruitt time to recruit better big uglies to protect a pro sryle passer.
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Ok, so a less coherent argument. Cool.
 
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BloomuVol said:
My point was that unlike you, I havent been declaring the race over. While I agree he should likely be the guy. I am not at practice so I wont declare one way or another. Wasnt saying anything bad about you, just showing the gradient within the known group of JG supporters
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Cool.

Logically thinking, JG will start next year. There is a chance he doesnt. Very small but a chance.

It's really just a reaction to those claiming he won't/shouldn't start or will transfer for sure.

Maurer could be a prodigy and takeover. That would be great if he is looking like a NFL qb coming in.

I do think Shrout guys are crazy. It is extremely unlikely that Pruitt picks him. Pruitt values no turnovers and accuracy. Those are the areas Shrout struggles in.

That is my stance on the qbs.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Garbled and unintelligible post.
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Fix your hair, that comment flying over your head messed it up.

I was saying you are obviously omnicient, like God, if you can say with certainty something that happened would not have happened under a different circumstance.

If you are not God, then your logic is flawed.
 
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Volumnus 2011 said:
Fix your hair, that comment flying over your head messed it up.

I was saying you are obviously omnicient, like God, if you can say with certainty something that happened would not have happened under a different circumstance.

If you are not God, then your logic is flawed.
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It is still an unintelligible silly post. I'm stating an opinion like everyone else on Volnation. Do you believe everyone else who states an opinion on this website is omnicient ? Have you made any declarations here about your opinions on a particular subject ?
 
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Volumnus 2011 said:
Cool, original opinion, bro. The fact is, you don't know if we will improve under Guarantano, and saying definitively we won't is stupid.

The same could be said at the time about:

Erik Ainge from 05 to 06
Jonathon Crompton from 08 to 09
Josh Dobbs even from 14 to 15.

Shoot, that's just THIS school in the last 12 years.

The fact is, you, along with a bunch of other people have stated such strong opinions in opposition to JG that you want him to fail just so you'll be right. You're sticking to your guns and thinking there's no way he could possibly improve, even though the offensive line could be better, the play calling could be better, the strength and conditioning could be better, JG's health could be better, the head coach himself could be better, the schedule could be better, etc.

But anyway, let me digress to say that you couldn't combat my point about Chryst, so you made an etched in concrete opinion about our starting quarterback who was on his 3rd offensive coordinator in three years, an offensive line and gameplan that helped Tennessee get to one of the the worst rushing attacks in the nation, a rookie head coach and a selection of plays where the ground game was used more than 60 percent of the time which got this team behind the sticks.

To be clear, Guarantano could suck next year. However, given context, I certainly don't think he sucked this year. I see no reason to think he will next year.
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You position is in the minority on this forum. Please reply or like the posts for the other 2 people on Volnation who agree with you. Leave the rest of us alone.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
It is still an unintelligible silly post. I'm stating an opinion like everyone else on Volnation. Do you believe everyone else who states an opinion on this website is omnicient ? Have you made any declarations here about your opinions on a particular subject ?
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The difference is you stated your opinion as fact. Sure, maybe arguing semantics is petty, but making completely baseless statements like saying Chryst did something that wouldn't have happened with JG is just dumb. We got beat by 3 against South Carolina, "JG didn't play winning football!" vs we get beat by 33 vs Missouri and 37 vs Alabama, "well, at least Chryst put up SOME offensive production, which JG couldn't have done!". It just makes no sense.

We beat Auburn for our first victory over an SEC West opponent since 2011, "JG is lucky his receivers made plays!"

I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people want to hate on our starting quarterback after seeing how awful our line was and how Tennessee played arguably the toughest schedule in the nation while still managing five wins with a rookie head coach.

And you have the nerve to call someone else unintelligible.
 
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BloomuVol said:
No one outside of K town king thinks it should be handed to him, but you have absolutley no clue how to formulate a coherent argument when it comes to football, you contradict yourself with different posts, it's obvious you just dont like JG, we get it. You dont have to take every opportunity to paint a false picture of a player. I promise you, no matter how much you whine and complain your opinion holds no bearing on who is going on the field. Also, if your opinion was worth anything, anybody worth their salt in football arenas would agree with you, however not a single national pundit has painted it that way, every single one has praised jg. The only negative news from scouts is that he obviously hasnt been de eloped to where he should be, which is no fault of his. So while I'm not going to say he is the savior and guaranteed starter, I have a funny feeling that you and a lot of your ilk, will be pretty pissed off come September when you look in the backfield.
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So starting out ranked the 10th best SEC QB, still being 10th best QB in the SEC midway through the season, and ending the season 11th ranked SEC QB is high praise?

I don't have anything against JG, I just don't think he's a very good QB. He's not terrible, but he's not the type of QB that can make a positive difference when the game is on the line. You don't have to agree with me, JG's stats speak for themselves.
 
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Volumnus 2011 said:
The difference is you stated your opinion as fact. Sure, maybe arguing semantics is petty, but making completely baseless statements like saying Chryst did something that wouldn't have happened with JG is just dumb. We got beat by 3 against South Carolina, "JG didn't play winning football!" vs we get beat by 33 vs Missouri and 37 vs Alabama, "well, at least Chryst put up SOME offensive production, which JG couldn't have done!". It just makes no sense.

We beat Auburn for our first victory over an SEC West opponent since 2011, "JG is lucky his receivers made plays!"

I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people want to hate on our starting quarterback after seeing how awful our line was and how Tennessee played arguably the toughest schedule in the nation while still managing five wins with a rookie head coach.

And you have the nerve to call someone else unintelligible.
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On two occasions when our QB and Offense looked inept , Chryst came in and produced immediate scoring drives. I defended JG against all the naysayers up to the Alabama game and then stopped supporting him because at that time I determined IMO he was not SEC caliber as to pocket presence. I stand by that opinion. Does that make you feel better that I used the word "opinion".
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
On two occasions when our QB and Offense looked inept , Chryst came in and produced immediate scoring drives. I defended JG against all the naysayers up to the Alabama game and then stopped supporting him because at that time I determined IMO he was not SEC caliber as to pocket presence. I stand by that opinion. Does that make you feel better that I used the word "opinion".
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I went back and checked your posting history. I saw where you stated that with Chryst playing we probably would have won more games. I saw where you said post Bama that it was obvious Chryst was better.

Prior to that, I saw you say that offensive play calling and a bad o-line was hindering JG.

So why the flip? Do you realize that right before JG got hurt against Bama, he hit a 30 yard pass to get Tennessee into scoring position? Chryst came in and cleaned it up, but up to that drive Tennessee had put up a net of five yards.

The entire offense was putrid to start that game, for whatever reason. Running backs had nowhere to go, JG had been sacked 3 times, and he started 2-6.

Then the offense finally started to move the ball, but with penalties and other mistakes. Guarantano then went 3-5 for 51 yards and got Tennessee into scoring position with throws of 20, 11 yards and 30 yards, meaning the down field throw has been discovered as an exploit for Ty Helton. Chryst comes in with play calls down field.

Chryst later goes on to complete passes of 23, 40 and 20 yards for another score. Again, playcalling looked down field. Chryst came in when the offense was finally moving. He wasn't the cause of that, as he took his first snap around Alabama's 35 yard line.

So, to recap, Guarantano started 2-6. Then he went 3-5 for 51 yards, which is 17 yards per reception.

Chryst came in and went 5-7 for 119 the rest of the half, which is about 24 yards per reception. Are you sensing a pattern here? We started 2-6 for single digit yardage before going 8-12 the rest of the half for 170 yards. Downfield was open, and by the time we went that direction, we were already down 28-0.

In the second half, Chryst was 4-8 for 45 yards, because Alabama made halftime adjustments.

You base your ENTIRE opinion of JG on the Alabama game without realizing Chryst was a beneficiary of in game adjustments to playcalling.
 
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Volumnus 2011 said:
I went back and checked your posting history. I saw where you stated that with Chryst playing we probably would have won more games. I saw where you said post Bama that it was obvious Chryst was better.

Prior to that, I saw you say that offensive play calling and a bad o-line was hindering JG.

So why the flip? Do you realize that right before JG got hurt against Bama, he hit a 30 yard pass to get Tennessee into scoring position? Chryst came in and cleaned it up, but up to that drive Tennessee had put up a net of five yards.

The entire offense was putrid to start that game, for whatever reason. Running backs had nowhere to go, JG had been sacked 3 times, and he started 2-6.

Then the offense finally started to move the ball, but with penalties and other mistakes. Guarantano then went 3-5 for 51 yards and got Tennessee into scoring position with throws of 20, 11 yards and 30 yards, meaning the down field throw has been discovered as an exploit for Ty Helton. Chryst comes in with play calls down field.

Chryst later goes on to complete passes of 23, 40 and 20 yards for another score. Again, playcalling looked down field. Chryst came in when the offense was finally moving. He wasn't the cause of that, as he took his first snap around Alabama's 35 yard line.

So, to recap, Guarantano started 2-6. Then he went 3-5 for 51 yards, which is 17 yards per reception.

Chryst came in and went 5-7 for 119 the rest of the half, which is about 24 yards per reception. Are you sensing a pattern here? We started 2-6 for single digit yardage before going 8-12 the rest of the half for 170 yards. Downfield was open, and by the time we went that direction, we were already down 28-0.

In the second half, Chryst was 4-8 for 45 yards, because Alabama made halftime adjustments.

You base your ENTIRE opinion of JG on the Alabama game without realizing Chryst was a beneficiary of in game adjustments to playcalling.
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I have explained why I flipped after the Alabama game and I'm not going to repeat myself over and over. I'm not going to continuously have to explain my opinions to you. Going back and researching a Volnation's members posts makes it seem you have a personal vendetta against my opinions. Most people on Volnation want the program to excel even if we have different opinions how it should be done. I am not going to respond to any more of your badgering behavior toward me.
 
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