Tennessee is going NOWHERE with JG

[GAVol]

Because on at least two occasions when Chryst came in after JG was completely being overwhelmed by the rush , Chryst was able to produce scoring drives immediately. I defended JG up to the Alabama game. After the Alabama game I knew he was not SEC caliber.

....then came the 2nd half of Alabama and the Missouri game and it became clear the problem wasn't the QB.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

....then came the 2nd half of Alabama and the Missouri game and it became clear the problem wasn't the QB.

No 1 team in the country and considered one of the best all-time. At least Chryst did something good and the offense for a couple of drives was productive under Chyrst. This would not have happened with JG.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

See Missouri for an update to what you think about our offensive situation.

We are not going to improve with JG as QB.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

We are not going to improve with JG as QB.

And we aren't going to beat Auburn on the road or beat Kentucky. JG says you are welcome.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

We are not going to improve with JG as QB.

Cool, original opinion, bro. The fact is, you don't know if we will improve under Guarantano, and saying definitively we won't is stupid.

The same could be said at the time about:

Erik Ainge from 05 to 06
Jonathon Crompton from 08 to 09
Josh Dobbs even from 14 to 15.

Shoot, that's just THIS school in the last 12 years.

The fact is, you, along with a bunch of other people have stated such strong opinions in opposition to JG that you want him to fail just so you'll be right. You're sticking to your guns and thinking there's no way he could possibly improve, even though the offensive line could be better, the play calling could be better, the strength and conditioning could be better, JG's health could be better, the head coach himself could be better, the schedule could be better, etc.

But anyway, let me digress to say that you couldn't combat my point about Chryst, so you made an etched in concrete opinion about our starting quarterback who was on his 3rd offensive coordinator in three years, an offensive line and gameplan that helped Tennessee get to one of the the worst rushing attacks in the nation, a rookie head coach and a selection of plays where the ground game was used more than 60 percent of the time which got this team behind the sticks.

To be clear, Guarantano could suck next year. However, given context, I certainly don't think he sucked this year. I see no reason to think he will next year.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

No 1 team in the country and considered one of the best all-time. At least Chryst did something good and the offense for a couple of drives was productive under Chyrst. This would not have happened with JG.

"...would not have happened with JG"

With as bad as UT has been lately, I wouldn't have figured God was a Vols fan. How about that.

 

[BeardedVol]

And we aren't going to beat Auburn on the road or beat Kentucky. JG, Palmer, Jenningss, Callaway, Chandler, Auburns Secondary, and Eddie Gran says you are welcome.

FYP

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

FYP

Oh I get it. JG gets no credit when the offense plays well. But the gets all the blame when the play bad. Auburn was overrated right? So was UK right? Keep on pushing your narrative. You look dumber by the post.

 

[MaTaLa]

We so bad "not sucking" is good, and that's not a dig at JG or his ability. I don't think Helton was up to the immensity of the task at hand given the OL and our relative inexperience. Lofting 50-50 balls isn't a difficult game plan to formulate however I don't know what went on behind the scenes.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

We so bad "not sucking" is good, and that's not a dig at JG or his ability. I don't think Helton was up to the immensity of the task at hand given the OL and our relative inexperience. Lofting 50-50 balls isn't a difficult game plan to formulate however I don't know what went on behind the scenes.

Exactly. I'm glad you said what you said. Nobody knows what went on behind the scenes, and I've been guilty of ripping Helton because he ran the ball so much knowing it wouldn't work and didn't throw quick passes out of a shotgun to help his quarterbacks.

Then again, I honestly think now that may have more to do with Pruitt than Helton. He wants to be a smash mouth team, and he just doesn't have he personnel to do that.

 

[BloomuVol]

FYP

Hold up, only the qb is responsible when they lose, but when they win its everybody else's fault?

 

[Volumnus 2011]

Hold up, only the qb is responsible when they lose, but when they win its everybody else's fault?

I was actually told that on this forum. I think you saw it. It was from the guy claiming he knew Gruden and played quarterback in college. He said losses lay at the feet at the quarterback regardless of anything else.

 

[BeardedVol]

Oh I get it. JG gets no credit when the offense plays well. But the gets all the blame when the play bad. Auburn was overrated right? So was UK right? Keep on pushing your narrative. You look dumber by the post.

Receivers get credit for making plays on 50/50 balls. JG will get credit when he starts consistently throwing receivers open, and making passes over the middle into coverage. Auburn's secondary didn't play the ball the entire day, and Kentucky's offensive plan was garbage. If you can't seethat UT got help from poor play by our opponents in those two games, then you need to slow down with the glue sniffing during the season.

 

[BloomuVol]

I was actually told that on this forum. I think you saw it. It was from the guy claiming he knew Gruden and played quarterback in college. He said losses lay at the feet at the quarterback regardless of anything else.

I swear some of these guys could get a divorce and die not knowing why.

 

[spyfish007]

Cool, original opinion, bro. The fact is, you don't know if we will improve under Guarantano, and saying definitively we won't is stupid.

The same could be said at the time about:

Erik Ainge from 05 to 06
Jonathon Crompton from 08 to 09
Josh Dobbs even from 14 to 15.

Shoot, that's just THIS school in the last 12 years.

The fact is, you, along with a bunch of other people have stated such strong opinions in opposition to JG that you want him to fail just so you'll be right. You're sticking to your guns and thinking there's no way he could possibly improve, even though the offensive line could be better, the play calling could be better, the strength and conditioning could be better, JG's health could be better, the head coach himself could be better, the schedule could be better, etc.

But anyway, let me digress to say that you couldn't combat my point about Chryst, so you made an etched in concrete opinion about our starting quarterback who was on his 3rd offensive coordinator in three years, an offensive line and gameplan that helped Tennessee get to one of the the worst rushing attacks in the nation, a rookie head coach and a selection of plays where the ground game was used more than 60 percent of the time which got this team behind the sticks.

To be clear, Guarantano could suck next year. However, given context, I certainly don't think he sucked this year. I see no reason to think he will next year.

Solid post! I think people forget how bad 1 hop Crompton was until Kiffen got ahold of him.

 

[BloomuVol]

Receivers get credit for making plays on 50/50 balls. JG will get credit when he starts consistently throwing receivers open, and making passes over the middle into coverage. Auburn's secondary didn't play the ball the entire day, and Kentucky's offensive plan was garbage. If you can't seethat UT got help from poor play by our opponents in those two games, then you need to slow down with the glue sniffing during the season.

Man you really do like sticking that 50/50 claim. Do you ever intend on being honest at any point? A positive game plan to take advantage of the height of our players over theirs is a positive not a negative mark against JG. I seriously dont understand how you cant see that there was a progression of things implemented throughout the year.

 

[BeardedVol]

Man you really do like sticking that 50/50 claim. Do you ever intend on being honest at any point? A positive game plan to take advantage of the height of our players over theirs is a positive not a negative mark against JG. I seriously dont understand how you cant see that there was a progression of things implemented throughout the year.

Did you stop drinking the orange Kool-Aid, and start using it in place of Visine?

 

[BloomuVol]

Did you stop drinking the orange Kool-Aid, and start using it in place of Visine?

Do you want to know why I know you are wrong? It's very simple, go watch the first few CJP shows, how many times does he talk about recievers need to stop running under the ball and to go up and high point it, he does this because he wants them to throw exactly how they have been, so that the reciever goes up to make the play, securing the ball. It would seem that at least to pruitt a completion with no yac is better than the db batting it down and the reciever not trying to make a play waiting for it to fall in their arms.

 

[BloomuVol]

Did you stop drinking the orange Kool-Aid, and start using it in place of Visine?

So answer the question. Why is it when they lose it's all on JG, but when JG has a career day, they won because the other team blew it, and our recievers made all the plays, including throwing to themselves? You and a joke, you are like a rooster, strutting around like king dick, but the reality is your a chicken in a wolf's world.

 

[BeardedVol]

So answer the question. Why is it when they lose it's all on JG, but when JG has a career day, they won because the other team blew it, and our recievers made all the plays, including throwing to themselves? You and a joke, you are like a rooster, strutting around like king dick, but the reality is your a chicken in a wolf's world.

Feel free to quote me where I have stated that our loses reside solely at the feet of JG, or you can just continue to trot out personal attacks like an impotent keyboard warrior, either is fine.

JG made some good passes against Auburn, the TD pass to Chandler that tied the game, was probably his most accurate and well-placed throw on the season, but that doesn't change negate the 50/50 balls that pretty much comprises his 'long ball' skills. Those are regularly under-thrown, and require the receiver to stop short, turn, or straight up back pedal to make a play on the ball, there's plenty of film this season that you can watch for a reminder.

 

[BloomuVol]

Feel free to quote me where I have stated that our loses reside solely at the feet of JG, or you can just continue to trot out personal attacks like an impotent keyboard warrior, either is fine.

JG made some good passes against Auburn, the TD pass to Chandler that tied the game, was probably his most accurate and well-placed throw on the season, but that doesn't change negate the 50/50 balls that pretty much comprises his 'long ball' skills. Those are regularly under-thrown, and require the receiver to stop short, turn, or straight up back pedal to make a play on the ball, there's plenty of film this season that you can watch for a reminder.

Dude, either you dont know football, or your eyes are lying to you. Why does every single other expert rave about his longball? Why did sc defend the deep ball only allowing them to have a short game, which you and the idiots like you will then use as proof of him only throwing screens, why do you not account for the other factors in the game. You are intellectually dishonest, borderline a lying sack of ****.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

Receivers get credit for making plays on 50/50 balls. JG will get credit when he starts consistently throwing receivers open, and making passes over the middle into coverage. Auburn's secondary didn't play the ball the entire day, and Kentucky's offensive plan was garbage. If you can't seethat UT got help from poor play by our opponents in those two games, then you need to slow down with the glue sniffing during the season.

This does not look like a quarterback that sucks. And these "50/50" balls your talking about are not "50/50" balls. Most of the long passes were thrown to a spot on the sideline. Notice how the receiver stops running to turn around and look for the ball. It's not a 50/50. It's designed to give the receiver a chance to make a play, and most of those passes are on the freaking money.

The Jennings touchdown was underthrown, yes. Maybe a couple passes were underthrown, but they didn't sail to allow an interception, and they weren't underthrown so much that the receiver didn't have a better chance to make a play than the defender.

Sometimes the idea of throwing deep is to stretch the defense to help the rest of the offense.

Every quarterback in the country relies on receivers to make plays. Sadly, JG hasn't been able to do that as much as you want to believe (see first image).

Also included are two other stats that don't fit your bearded narrative, like how JG has a high completion rate because he throws so many short passes.

 

[BanditVol]

I'm finally on board with all the JG critics. Even though he has had one or two competent games his overall play is abysmal. He's slow, slower and slowest in almost everything he does. Tennessee must find another QB for next year. In my 50 years of watching Tennessee football I can honestly say I've rarely seen a QB as mediocre as JG. Hopefully the new kid out of Florida will honor his commitment and enroll early. Lord knows we need a mobile QB with quick feet and instincts.

Oh this is ridiculous. It reminds me of 2014. Yes, a lot of folks were tired of Justin Worley, but did that mean Nathan Peterman was the answer? A whole lot of idjuts thought he was, and to his discredit, Butch caved and started Peterman, who had never taken a single snap in college, for the first time on the road in the swamp. Peterman melted down rather famously. He was not the answer. Butch would have been better served to bring him in off the bench or wait till the cupcake we played the next week.

So here is a counter point. JG is not perfect at all, but he showed tremendous progress from 2017 to this year. I see no reason he won't continue to progress.

And yes, the OL is porous, but that's more than just him having time to throw. It also means we have no running game. If we could run the ball it would take so much of the pressure off him. And yet another point is that when Helton actually bothered to come up with a good game plan, as at South Carolina, JG thrived (for a half anyway). I think Helton had one foot out the door for our last two games and this is part of why JG struggled.

Last and most important...who are you going to replace him with? Shrout? Good luck with that one.

I think Pruitt can and will open up the QB to competition again, but Shrout will have a steep learning curve and maybe be the "next Peterman" for all we know.

 

[BeardedVol]

Dude, either you dont know football, or your eyes are lying to you. Why does every single other expert rave about his longball? Why did sc defend the deep ball only allowing them to have a short game, which you and the idiots like you will then use as proof of him only throwing screens, why do you not account for the other factors in the game. You are intellectually dishonest, borderline a lying sack of ****.

No quote, so doubling down as a keyboard warrior? Cool.

USCe defended the deep ball because JG rarely throws over the middle, especially under pressure where he is more likely to check down to someone behind the LOS, and Muschamp was confident that he could pressure JG with 3, 4 or 5 defensive lineman, and limit our running game at the same time.

Basic math at that point as to who DBs are going to cover when the defensive line is successful with 5 or less. The first half of that game, we were relatively successful in moving the ball, but the second half, outside of the first TD drive. His play against USCe wasn't his worst performance, it just was not good enough to win, which was the case most of the season.

High completion percentage, low interceptions, but low passing yards, low number of attempts, low number of TD passes, and he's zero threat to run, and takes as many hits when he gets the throw off, as when he doesn't. He was the best QB on our roster, but that doesn't make him a good QB who should brook no challenger in 2019.

 

[k-town_king]

Attempts have nothing to with the qb but the coaching BV.

All the percentage and rating stats are great. if he gets more attempts with the same efficiency he is All SEC.

The future is bright with JG starting.