Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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engineerVOL said:
This is now two staffs who can’t put together wins with this group. It’s just so disheartening. The roster is littered with 4 stars (yea yea I know).

The players must genuinely be used to losing by now. I just figured an elite group of coaches would do better. And I have to keep reminding myself that in college football sometimes there’s not much difference between a 2-score loss and a 4-score loss.

Monday musings from engineerVOL. Carry on.
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If you "yeah yeah I know" it then why keep saying it? Most of these "4*" are just not any good at all. Whether it's because they are truly untalented, or just don't give enough of a crap to do what it takes to get better, doesn't really matter...they just suck at football for whatever reason. If these coaches can't drag it out of them...no one can.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Just a question: would you have said you haven’t seen any progression after the Kentucky game?

I think there’s been clear progression. It just isn’t consistent. Part of me thinks that could be due to bad matchups and part of me thinks it could be due to the strength and conditioning issues we’re crawling back from. When you get tired or when the guy across from you is kicking your ass, you go back to old habits. It happens in every sport.
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Dude...you absolutely nailed it.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Depends. If recruiting is going well and the defense is playing as we all believe they will be, we need to give him a chance to fix the offense. We don’t need another coaching search anytime soon. With a stout defense we can still be winning 9-10 games even if the offense isn’t great. Pruitt needs to be the guy for a long time. He needs to have every opportunity afforded him within reason.
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No one is going to care about those things if that Offense keeps being ill prepared in most every game.

This game in Nashville is going to be huge when it comes to patience. Win and most will see this year as a success. Lose and most will say this was just like 2013 maybe worse since we have FIVE losses by more than 25 pts. That simply isn't going to breed patience with a bamer that's changing traditions and chastising the fanbase for poor spring game attendance. Saturday is damn IMPORTANT for Jeremy Pruitt.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Are you claiming GA's roster was anywhere close to this roster from a talent perspective? GA's "under the radar" guys are our 5 stars. I agree the culture is bad and can't be fixed in one year. My problem with this staff has nothing to do with the win/loss column, it has to do with progression. This team has progressed very little from game one. They commit the same silly penalties. They can't block, can't tackle, can't cover, can't pressure the qb, and really cant run the ball. The offense is as vanilla as day one. They are as predictable as rain in seattle. To me they look like what they are, coaches finding their way for the first time in their respective positions.

I'm in no way calling for anyone's head. He needs time to improve the roster, get his type of guy in. However, I've seen nothing that tells me this guy or his staff will bring the Vols back to relevancy. I'm cheering for him as hard as anyone and by no means have I given up on him.

Recruiting will tell the story and likely will determine his ultimate success here.
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I think there has been some sporadic improvement. It has been inconsistent. It really does come down to execution and we need to develop the guys so that they execute much more consistently. To say that we are not any better than we were against WV, I have to disagree with.
 
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BruinVol said:
To me its this simple. List the games we were prepared to play on offense.

Prepared- etsu-auburn-Kentucky-USCe

That's it. That means in 7 games he didn't have us prepared
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I would suggest to you that those games demonstrate what our offense is capable of when the OL is blocking decently and we aren't turning the ball over.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
People live in the moment. Last week this post wouldn’t have been written, but since we had a bad loss to a team that is clearly much better than us, the progress that has been made is forgotten and we’re back to questioning the coaches again.

This team is low on talent and has had almost no development. They are slow, small, weak, and lack toughness in comparison to the rest of the SEC. and still, Pruitt has beaten two ranked SEC teams and still had a chance at a bowl game.
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yeah, MO was a bad match up. it was more like WVU than it was KY or Auburn.

but at the end of the day, the loss sucked. how we lost was worse.

but nothing has changed big picture wise.
 
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BruinVol said:
No one is going to care about those things if that Offense keeps being ill prepared in most every game.

This game in Nashville is going to be huge when it comes to patience. Win and most will see this year as a success. Lose and most will say this was just like 2013 maybe worse since we have FIVE losses by more than 25 pts. That simply isn't going to breed patience with a bamer that's changing traditions and chastising the fanbase for poor spring game attendance. Saturday is damn IMPORTANT for Jeremy Pruitt.
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He isn’t a bammer. Also, the last two sentences is typical Bruin stirring crap up. Not gonna argue with you
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
I would suggest to you that those games demonstrate what our offense is capable of when the OL is blocking decently and we aren't turning the ball over.
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Outside of the Bama-georgia game that offense VASTLY underperformed in those other games.

Anyone seen how many points that Charlotte team has given up since our game?
 
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BruinVol said:
To me its this simple. List the games we were prepared to play on offense.

Prepared- etsu-auburn-Kentucky-USCe

That's it. That means in 7 games he didn't have us prepared
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BruinVol said:
No one is going to care about those things if that Offense keeps being ill prepared in most every game.

This game in Nashville is going to be huge when it comes to patience. Win and most will see this year as a success. Lose and most will say this was just like 2013 maybe worse since we have FIVE losses by more than 25 pts. That simply isn't going to breed patience with a bamer that's changing traditions and chastising the fanbase for poor spring game attendance. Saturday is damn IMPORTANT for Jeremy Pruitt.
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4 of which came form the 1,5,9,and 13th ranked teams in the country. Obviously never good to lose by that much but it’s not like they were trash teams.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
People live in the moment. Last week this post wouldn’t have been written, but since we had a bad loss to a team that is clearly much better than us, the progress that has been made is forgotten and we’re back to questioning the coaches again.

This team is low on talent and has had almost no development. They are slow, small, weak, and lack toughness in comparison to the rest of the SEC. and still, Pruitt has beaten two ranked SEC teams and still had a chance at a bowl game.
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I really think that beating those two teams with this roster is amazing. I was really concerned we were gonna go 3-9 or 4-8 earlier in the year. The only game I think the staff's inexperience cost us a win was SC. Pruitt hasn't lost to anybody as bad as LMU like the almighty Saban did. He really hasn't even come close to that bad of a loss.
 
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To me, this season is so mixed bag I have no idea what to make of it. I see progression in a handful of player position groups, but I don't see good decision making at critical times and with several positions from the coaching. As a staff, if it takes you half a season plus to make good decisions on who you consider to be the right players for positions, and get it wrong so often, how can your judgment be trusted in the future unless you recruit lights out and eliminate the issue? This reality stinks, but it does not eliminate hope for improvement when you have players and coaches with upside. I agree with the posts that this staff was used to having better rosters to work with that were not beaten down as bad. We will get to see how good they may be with this recruiting class and the results from next season. I want them to win big and am willing to wait a few years before calling for any changes. But they've got to improve significantly or we will be back to doing it all over again. My short summary you can read or ignore below. It's helping me to get these observations out of my head and into a post. I only really care about recruiting now.

The O-line, TE and LB position groups have clearly used the wrong players many games. The Carvin experiment at LG was a miserable failure from the get go - yet they trotted him out there for half the season which helped brutalize JG and the RB's. It was bad for them and for Carvin who needed to be RS'd. They finally figured out that the offense needed to revolve around Chandler and the WR's, but didn't figure out they needed to max protect or go with the quick passing game consistently. They really don't know what a quick slant is any more. Duh, JG doesn't get hit as often, has a good quick release and you have really good WR's. Same as Botch - no improvement there. DWA was unable to play well with injuries and stone hands early on, so they use him anyway while having Eli Wolf who has better hands, good quickness/speed, and who added good weight sit on the sidelines minimally used except when they need a two TE set blocker. The film study and stats of targets/completions/situational use should show them all of this stuff and it just doesn't translate into the coaches heads into calls on the field. There have been a couple games of it and then they revert back to what gets JG killed along with his locking on the primary target and not stepping up in the pocket. The silly hand behind the back check off to a run is middle school stuff. I just don't see other programs doing that, especially in the SEC. It telegraphs what is coming every single time. Knowing that you have QB read issues, you have to modify the O to fit his strengths. They didn't except for a few games.

I don't know what would have happened if a damaged Kirkland had not stepped up at LB because Ignont was a minus for most of the season, Sapp was in the doghouse, Smith is forgotten and JJP obviously did not believe he would even be enrolled or he would not have reported so out of shape. Probably their best cover corner/nickel is sitting the bench in the doghouse most of the season while #28 gets the snaps, who makes one good play for every 5-10 poor ones. It goes on and on. To rotate him in to give Taylor and Thompson rest would have been nice. Even with all that and rookies at three secondary positions the D is top 50 in total D against a rough schedule. So I guess that tells me Pruitt handled the adversity better on that side of the ball than Helton did on his. Playing the right guys at the right times is critical to success. You can't miss so much on it when you don't have the deep roster.

A win over Vandy and a bowl will right the ship going into the off season. Even if they lose it has been better than 2017 because there is hope for improvement with the change in roster. But there is a huge amount to clean up. Done until next season.
 
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