Remember JP is a rookie hc

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I don't know Jake. We were good enough to beat Auburn. I'm convinced the 4th and 7 call lost that game and wasn't the type of call a football genius would make. Yet I keep seeing people opine to the contrary regarding CJP. If the answer is that he needs to learn on the job, how many seasons should that take and will he be able to recruit at a high level while learning on the job or do we have to reset the rebuilding clock starting with whichever season we can properly adjudicate him learned? I just want a rough estimate of the timeline.
 
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jakez4ut said:
or it's 8 games in to year 1 and we just aren't very good.

or i'm just gonna come on here to stir ish and throw it against the wall and see what sticks.
(that last one could apply to a lot of folks the past few days, nothing personal)
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Stirred Sticky Ish should be a username.
 
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jakez4ut said:
or it's 8 games in to year 1 and we just aren't very good.

or i'm just gonna come on here to stir ish and throw it against the wall and see what sticks.
(that last one could apply to a lot of folks the past few days, nothing personal)
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I was looking at some of the new threads that have popped up since the loss. A few look like the OP looked at all the others and figured out what hasn't been said, and just went with that.

So yea, what you said too. Lulz, I did it again.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't know Jake. We were good enough to beat Auburn. I'm convinced the 4th and 7 call lost that game and wasn't the type of call a football genius would make. Yet I keep seeing people opine to the contrary regarding CJP. If the answer is that he needs to learn on the job, how many seasons should that take and will he be able to recruit at a high level while learning on the job or do we have to reset the rebuilding clock starting with whichever season we can properly adjudicate him learned? I just want a rough estimate of the timeline.
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You've got valid concerns. I think it is fair to start the evaluation this season. He has coached some good games and some bad. The rough timeline is 3 years (with no year zero).
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't know Jake. We were good enough to beat Auburn. I'm convinced the 4th and 7 call lost that game and wasn't the type of call a football genius would make. Yet I keep seeing people opine to the contrary regarding CJP. If the answer is that he needs to learn on the job, how many seasons should that take and will he be able to recruit at a high level while learning on the job or do we have to reset the rebuilding clock starting with whichever season we can properly adjudicate him learned? I just want a rough estimate of the timeline.
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i think you're putting way to much emphasis on that one play.

to me, i saw a coach that was willing to trust the players to go win the game. not passively punt it back and play not to lose.

maybe i like that call (and the on sides kicks, and the going for 2 etc...) because it's the "anti butch" thing to do. but for me, i like the fact that this guy is fairly aggressive, and in a season when you really don't have all that much to lose, he's willing to make some calls of the unconventional sort in an effort to try and win a game.

i don't know how much he's learning on the job. i'm sure he is, it's his first time doing this. i've never gotten the feeling that this is too big for him up to this point.

i think he's been brutally honest when speaking about how this team plays, and what they need to do to get better. i mean you listen to him after the game, and it could have been me giving that press conference.

how many seasons should it take? i dunno. and no one does. i do think that 8 games in to year one is probably a bit early to be offering referendums on his career path....no matter what trajectory you think it's on.

i didn't like the way he ended the 1st half. and i would have punted on that 4th down. but neither of those decisions cost us the game.

what the coaches do need to do is figure out how to eliminate those stupid penalties on offense, and some way to stop the run.

cause when you get past all the agenda driven BS that's been pushed around here the past couple days, be it about the coaches, the rets or the qb's or whatever, there's 2 reason we lost that game Saturday night;
1. 9 stupid penalties
2. could not stop the run in the 2nd half.

and both of those things are up to the coaches to fix in practice so we have a chance to win the remaining games on the schedule. cause we did play well enough to win that game. we play THAT way the rest of the way, and fix those two things above.....we can win all 4 of the remaining games.
 
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Behr said:
I was looking at some of the new threads that have popped up since the loss. A few look like the OP looked at all the others and figured out what hasn't been said, and just went with that.

So yea, what you said too. Lulz, I did it again.
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lol, i hear ya. there really should be a restriction on thread starting after a loss.......lol.
 
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Seems reasonable to expect to see something significant after 3 years. I just keep seeing all this '5-7 years minimum' and 'give him an extension now to shut the fans up' stuff and I get triggered.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't know Jake. We were good enough to beat Auburn. I'm convinced the 4th and 7 call lost that game and wasn't the type of call a football genius would make. Yet I keep seeing people opine to the contrary regarding CJP. If the answer is that he needs to learn on the job, how many seasons should that take and will he be able to recruit at a high level while learning on the job or do we have to reset the rebuilding clock starting with whichever season we can properly adjudicate him learned? I just want a rough estimate of the timeline.
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Personally I like a coach that will go against the grain. Unpredictable is good a bunch of the time. However, you need to be able to back it up. Crazy only works when you are hot too.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Seems reasonable to expect to see something significant after 3 years. I just keep seeing all this '5-7 years minimum' and 'give him an extension now to shut the fans up' stuff and I get triggered.
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And if I cared enough to research it, I'm sure we'd see a bunch of these people freaking out over this loss, had it down as a loss in their preseason prediction. I saw plenty saying SC would kill us. Well, they didn't kill us, we damn near beat them.

I know I know....."we should have. If we had a more experienced coach".... if, if, if, if.

I'm not saying we got our man, just not saying we don't . Yet.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't know Jake. We were good enough to beat Auburn. I'm convinced the 4th and 7 call lost that game and wasn't the type of call a football genius would make. Yet I keep seeing people opine to the contrary regarding CJP. If the answer is that he needs to learn on the job, how many seasons should that take and will he be able to recruit at a high level while learning on the job or do we have to reset the rebuilding clock starting with whichever season we can properly adjudicate him learned? I just want a rough estimate of the timeline.
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I guess you are just going to have to sit back and watch like the rest of us.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Seems reasonable to expect to see something significant after 3 years. I just keep seeing all this '5-7 years minimum' and 'give him an extension now to shut the fans up' stuff and I get triggered.
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i haven't seen too much of the 5-7 year stuff. and if there has been extension talk i probably glossed over it. we're no where near that yet.

i just don't get the hand wringing.

i might be one that would tell you that that game Saturday night was probably the best game we've played all year, even the Auburn game.

like i said, penalties and stop the run. and we win that game handily. from a game plan, play calling and execution stand point, it was much better than Auburn. we were able to run the ball...Jordan actually looked pretty good. JG was getting rid of the ball quicker and we were getting yac that resulted in 1st downs.

the long balls we got against Auburn were great....but it's hard to make a living on 30 yard down field back shoulder throws on 3rd and 9+ as an offensive philosophy. Saturday night they went out and executed the plan they wanted to for the majority of the game. that was good to see.

but you gotta get USCe off the field, and you can't have dumb penalties, or, as we saw, it can bite you in the arse.

pruitt hasn't sugar coated it, and he's not been lying to us as to what this teams issues are.

the great unknown is can he fix it, at least in so much as for it to matter to the results of the next 4 games? and the answer may be ...no he can't. and then you just have to decide is that a function of him being a bad head coach, or we just don't have a very good team, not capable of doing it?

if the answer is yes he did....then at some point, if you're going to hand wring as much as many have the past few days, then you're gonna have to give some credit at some point.

or are we going to fall back on "anyone could go to the birmingham bowl at a place like TN"?

i feel like that's the road we're headed down if that's what happens, and if that's the case, then there really is no winning.

just differen levels of losing.
 
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Behr said:
And if I cared enough to research it, I'm sure we'd see a bunch of these people freaking out over this loss, had it down as a loss in their preseason prediction. I saw plenty saying SC would kill us. Well, they didn't kill us, we damn near beat them.

I know I know....."we should have. If we had a more experienced coach".... if, if, if, if.

I'm not saying we got our man, just not saying we don't . Yet.
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i don't know why this is such a hard concept.

the ability of so many posters to be so resolute in their assertions after 8 games in to year one....is astounding.
 
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volberry said:
Any time a rookie head coach takes over the first year is a trial and error year. Who really thinks he could out coach Muschamp? Really? He is figuring it out. But I'm tired of UT hiring first time coaches. I know he's the 28th choice but maybe they need to address this issue.
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Yes he is a rookie head coach but is a rookie head coach what the worst program in the country needed?
 
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DVols33 said:
Yes he is a rookie head coach but is a rookie head coach what the worst program in the country needed?
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Because we have to chase him. Because he's the hero Knoxville deserves, but not the one it needs right now, so we'll hunt him. Because he can take it, because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a head coach of TN.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i don't know why this is such a hard concept.

the ability of so many posters to be so resolute in their assertions after 8 games in to year one....is astounding.
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I think a lot of the hand wringing is because we've been down this road ... how many times now 4? Everyone knows you can't fully judge a coach on year one but you can get a glimpse of what may come. It is this glimpse that has some concerned and the question isn't can Pruitt turn the program around but rather is Pruitt a head coach. This is his first head coaching gig and some of us are not sure why we didn't get a head coach with some experience since our program was/is in such bad shape.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i don't know why this is such a hard concept.

the ability of so many posters to be so resolute in their assertions after 8 games in to year one....is astounding.
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I believe its just the safe opinion to have, nothing to lose. If they are right, they think they're smarter than everyone else and crow louder with the next hire, because you know there is gonna be a next one, just like this one....unless we luck out. Won't be because our AD spent time and money looking for a GOOD one. And it starts all over. Hell, they've been "right" 3 times now. Betting on our AD is as close to a sure thing as any.

And if they're wrong? Who gives a chit, it means we're kicking ass.

That's my story and I'm stickin to it.
 
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McDad said:
You've got valid concerns. I think it is fair to start the evaluation this season. He has coached some good games and some bad. The rough timeline is 3 years (with no year zero).
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CJP is getting 3 years and probably longer regardless of record if Fulmer has his way. They are joined at the hip and if one is fired the other should be out the door with them.
 
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DVols33 said:
I think a lot of the hand wringing is because we've been down this road ... how many times now 4? Everyone knows you can't fully judge a coach on year one but you can get a glimpse of what may come. It is this glimpse that has some concerned and the question isn't can Pruitt turn the program around but rather is Pruitt a head coach. This is his first head coaching gig and some of us are not sure why we didn't get a head coach with some experience since our program was/is in such bad shape.
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Then you should know better.

Good grief, how old are some if you guys?
 
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DVols33 said:
I think a lot of the hand wringing is because we've been down this road ... how many times now 4? Everyone knows you can't fully judge a coach on year one but you can get a glimpse of what may come. It is this glimpse that has some concerned and the question isn't can Pruitt turn the program around but rather is Pruitt a head coach. This is his first head coaching gig and some of us are not sure why we didn't get a head coach with some experience since our program was/is in such bad shape.
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and i get that, and understand it.

but at the end of the day, what has Pruitt done?

won 1 game he wasn't supposed to

almost won another game he wasn't suppposed to.

lost to everyone else he was suppposed to

beat everyone else that he was supposed to.

if you're THAT upset about saturday night, you either just have a bias agianst pruitt or don't like him or you're just wired to bi***h and moan and can't wait to do it. losing sucks...duh. we should have won, didn't. 4 more left.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Because we have to chase him. Because he's the hero Knoxville deserves, but not the one it needs right now, so we'll hunt him. Because he can take it, because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a head coach of TN.
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Thank you for your service.

Not sure where you went with that statement. good? bad?
 
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