The QB Debate.... Post Bama (merged)

[BeecherVol]

I should have changed the last part to "...and claim victory."

Moral victory

 

[ShoalCreekVol]

one won the game and the other went scoreless the entire 2nd half, yet u scream good game?
bwaahaahhahahaahahaaaa

Good grief. Are you incapable of speaking like an adult? You don’t have to answer that. The answer is already clear.

I didn’t scream anything. I made an observation. If you want to make a case that he didn’t have a good game against Bama, just use your big boy words.

 

[NEO]

Why does this site merge threads? It causes good conversations to get lost and muddied up IMO.

No biggie. Just curious.

Many many years back when some of the members were younger and less mature....not me of course.....oh definitely not me......huge fights would break out because the site was very new and kinda like the Wild West. Bunch a young buck kids arguing over everything.

Freak and the mods would roll into the thread and whole pages would get deleted. Like 50 post at a time.
You would suddenly have post that replied to no one anymore.
I honestly thank God those guys finally grew up and hit adulthood.
Freak runs a great site and blows all the others out of the water. Visit a few. It’s why he has members that our still here after a decade.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

hey sherlock.....wanna tell me how many other teams are COMPETING with the teams that produced those scores?

then you'd have to show how silly you sound.....and if just anybody could just blitz and he get blasted like u wish claiming to be a fan.....why do we not only have 3 wins, but a win over a top25 team? oops!

Since you asked and referred to me as the good mister Holmes I did some research...you may not want to read it though...


WVU's highest margin of victory over a P5 team-UT

UF's largest margin of victory over a P5 team - CSU with UT a very close second...cant win em all though. CSU lost by 28 and UT 26

UGA's largest margin of victory over a P5 team- Vandy but again UT is in the hunt for the biggest margin with another narrow miss. Vandy lost by 28 and UT by 26

Bama etc..-Ole Miss is the grand champ here but guess who is 2nd again..see a trend?


We have NOT been competitive unless by that you are using CSU and Vandy as your measuring sticks.


Last thing..I have no idea what you mean by wish someone get blasted or me claiming to be a fan.

I wish no Ill on any kid that plays whether he plays for the Big Orange or an opponent.

And if by a "fan" you mean a blind follower then no I dont claim to be a fan. If you mean someone who passionately follows the Vols and gets excited when they play well and upset when they don't then yea I am a fan.

But I'm a fan of the program and never the coach. Not when it was Johnny or any since.

Take care little guy.

 

[81Orange]

Cryst didn’t play aginst the stoked first D. Like JG did. We are fortunate to have KC on our team. He is not clearly better than JG, I see them as equal. And if they are equal play JG for the future. However if JG has a bad day or gets beat up KC will do just fine.
KC deserves some playing time. He is getting it done.

 

[mbible1utk]

I don't always agree with Hyams, usually I don't... but I think he was right on this. Keller Chryst calls his protections at the line, JG seems to not really even try to read the defense. JG just runs a play as called without much adjustment. He lacks awareness. It would do him well to learn from Chryst how to best set up his OL to give him the time needed to get a good pass off.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

I am not being a smart a$$ when I ask, you still think jg is the better qb based on what? What has jg done against good teams that says he’s the better qb. Better teams meaning: wv, uf, and bama. KC came in against Florida and bama and led the team to touchdowns when jg couldn’t.

If JG were in the game for those specific plays then there's a damn good chance he does what KC did on those plays.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

I did not see JG have time to throw the football, and when he did throw he took a hit. Normally he holds it too long sometimes but not last weekend. Someone on the defense came untouched on every passing play. There was pressure but defense players were not coming untouched against Keller. If they had been, he would have looked the same as JG or anyone else under that type pressure. It did show that either QB can be productive with time to throw the football.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Cryst didn’t play aginst the stoked first D. Like JG did. We are fortunate to have KC on our team. He is not clearly better than JG, I see them as equal. And if they are equal play JG for the future. However if JG has a bad day or gets beat up KC will do just fine.
KC deserves some playing time. He is getting it done.

The mental gymnastics here must have been exhausting.

 

[Kosmalski]

I would say it would tke a full week to recover from those gymnastics


Cryst didn’t play aginst the stoked first D. Like JG did. We are fortunate to have KC on our team. He is not clearly better than JG, I see them as equal. And if they are equal play JG for the future. However if JG has a bad day or gets beat up KC will do just fine.
KC deserves some playing time. He is getting it done.

The mental gymnastics here must have been exhausting.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

If JG were in the game for those specific plays then there's a damn good chance he does what KC did on those plays.

This, I doubt. I have not seem him make those plays all year.

 

[Volunteer08]

This, I doubt. I have not seem him make those plays all year.

Surprised at what I'm seeing in this thread and just happened to see your post. You're wrong. Chryst has made some great throws, but JG has too. To say you haven't seen from JG what you've seen from Chryst makes me wonder how closely you're watching games.

JG is more talented and brings more confidence to our offense. JG is a baller and is our starting QB for a reason.

 

[Volunteer08]

Oh and JG is a Sophomore. I think that's noteworthy.

 

[JMSqb11]

Since you asked and referred to me as the good mister Holmes I did some research...you may not want to read it though...


WVU's highest margin of victory over a P5 team-UT

UF's largest margin of victory over a P5 team - CSU with UT a very close second...cant win em all though. CSU lost by 28 and UT 26

UGA's largest margin of victory over a P5 team- Vandy but again UT is in the hunt for the biggest margin with another narrow miss. Vandy lost by 28 and UT by 26

Bama etc..-Ole Miss is the grand champ here but guess who is 2nd again..see a trend?


We have NOT been competitive unless by that you are using CSU and Vandy as your measuring sticks.


Last thing..I have no idea what you mean by wish someone get blasted or me claiming to be a fan.

I wish no Ill on any kid that plays whether he plays for the Big Orange or an opponent.

And if by a "fan" you mean a blind follower then no I dont claim to be a fan. If you mean someone who passionately follows the Vols and gets excited when they play well and upset when they don't then yea I am a fan.

But I'm a fan of the program and never the coach. Not when it was Johnny or any since.

Take care little guy.

Just to clarify, our losses are to the #1, #7, #9, #13 (current rankings) teams in the country. They weren't all back to back and we had success in between them. Hard to say our measuring stick is CSU and Vandy when they haven't played that guantlet outside of Vandy playing 2 of those teams out of the 4 we have played.

And pointing that out doesn't make me or anyone a "blind follower"

 

[JMSqb11]

I would say it would tke a full week to recover from those gymnastics


Cryst didn’t play aginst the stoked first D. Like JG did. We are fortunate to have KC on our team. He is not clearly better than JG, I see them as equal. And if they are equal play JG for the future. However if JG has a bad day or gets beat up KC will do just fine.
KC deserves some playing time. He is getting it done.

The mental gymnastics here must have been exhausting.

I'm sorry, but this whole "didn't play against the first defense" line is somewhat stupid. Literally Gary Danielson bluntly put it that hardly anyone on our team (maybe Jennings) would get to start for Bama. I would also expand it to the second team as well. Guess what, Bama's first team defense was still in for most of the second quarter. Go back and watch the tape. You can say that Chryst played well against Bama without belittling him. And you can also say that without it being a knock on JG.

You people who can't separate that the two can be complimented while not knocking the other have lost your ******* minds.

 

[johnrlansford]

Just to clarify, our losses are to the #1, #7, #9, #13 (current rankings) teams in the country. They weren't all back to back and we had success in between them. Hard to say our measuring stick is CSU and Vandy when they haven't played that guantlet outside of Vandy playing 2 of those teams out of the 4 we have played.

And pointing that out doesn't make me or anyone a "blind follower"

Well Said!

 

[SaintLouisVol]

Surprised at what I'm seeing in this thread and just happened to see your post. You're wrong. Chryst has made some great throws, but JG has too. To say you haven't seen from JG what you've seen from Chryst makes me wonder how closely you're watching games.

JG is more talented and brings more confidence to our offense. JG is a baller and is our starting QB for a reason.

You are correct, that JG has made a number of good throws, but I was specifically referring to the quick read and release throws and the throws into tight windows. My point was that I am unsure JG would have made the throws that created the TDs for the offense under Chryst. I don't think he would have seen the window and made them. Obviously, that's an opinion.

"Talent" means absolutely nothing to me. It's like a 400 hp motor in a car. It doesn't mean anything unless somebody knows how to drive the car. JG is still struggling to drive the car.

I also agree with you that JG is the QB for a reason, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest that he's the guy. But, I don't know the reasons, and they may not necessarily be that he is the best QB at understanding and executing all aspects of the offense.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Just to clarify, our losses are to the #1, #7, #9, #13 (current rankings) teams in the country. They weren't all back to back and we had success in between them. Hard to say our measuring stick is CSU and Vandy when they haven't played that guantlet outside of Vandy playing 2 of those teams out of the 4 we have played.

And pointing that out doesn't make me or anyone a "blind follower"

Someone (maybe you not sure and not going back to look) claimed we were competing. If getting your beaten by your opponents by a higher margin than any Power 5 team they've played other than CSU and Vandy is competing, then my ass is a typewriter. Unless those two programs are your yardstick.

If, however, your claim that playing tough competition week in week out is detrimental, then shouldn't SEC teams be getting their butts kicked during bowl season? Assuming of course that the SEC is the best conference.

We are not competing with any team of note outside of Auburn. Hopefully the next few games will change that and we will not just compete but win a couple of them. Because losing sucks even if you are "competing".

 

[VolNExile]

I should have changed the last part to "...and claim victory."

plus "and dances on the others' graves."

 

[JMSqb11]

Someone (maybe you not sure and not going back to look) claimed we were competing. If getting your beaten by your opponents by a higher margin than any Power 5 team they've played other than CSU and Vandy is competing, then my ass is a typewriter. Unless those two programs are your yardstick.

If, however, your claim that playing tough competition week in week out is detrimental, then shouldn't SEC teams be getting their butts kicked during bowl season? Assuming of course that the SEC is the best conference.

We are not competing with any team of note outside of Auburn. Hopefully the next few games will change that and we will not just compete but win a couple of them. Because losing sucks even if you are "competing".

Once again, you are equating margin of victory to competing with this team and roster. You are a loon if you think this team isn't competing/fighting even in the 4 double digit losses.

By your logic, we just rolled over and let them run a train on us in each loss. You obviously don't watch any of the games start to finish. This team is competing. They are fighting in the losses all 60 minutes. We haven't had that in 8 years.

You truly speak and sound like someone who watches Sunday recap show on the SEC Network that give 30 second highlights of each game.

Even Stevie Wonder could see our team fights and yes competes for all 60 minutes. You can have a bad team and still compete. Margin of victory and competitiveness are mutually exclusive.

 

[Orangeredblooded]

Someone (maybe you not sure and not going back to look) claimed we were competing. If getting your beaten by your opponents by a higher margin than any Power 5 team they've played other than CSU and Vandy is competing, then my ass is a typewriter. Unless those two programs are your yardstick.

If, however, your claim that playing tough competition week in week out is detrimental, then shouldn't SEC teams be getting their butts kicked during bowl season? Assuming of course that the SEC is the best conference.

We are not competing with any team of note outside of Auburn. Hopefully the next few games will change that and we will not just compete but win a couple of them. Because losing sucks even if you are "competing".

I believe by someone saying that we are competing, they mean that the team isn't giving up and fighting until the end of the game, unlike last year. That's improvement. Oh, by the way, I'm glad that I'm not typing on your a$$ while I post this.

 

[volunteerfan]

I also agree with you that JG is the QB for a reason, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest that he's the guy. But, I don't know the reasons, and they may not necessarily be that he is the best QB at understanding and executing all aspects of the offense.

I couldn’t have said it any better than this and to be honest, it wouldn’t bother me at all if he wasn’t the guy. I just hope that whoever starts Saturday balls out and we win by 30 points. I also hope that if the starting qb isn’t getting it done cjp won’t wait until It’s too late in the game to go with a qb that will

 

[DustyRockSolid]

Surprised at what I'm seeing in this thread and just happened to see your post. You're wrong. Chryst has made some great throws, but JG has too. To say you haven't seen from JG what you've seen from Chryst makes me wonder how closely you're watching games.

JG is more talented and brings more confidence to our offense. JG is a baller and is our starting QB for a reason.

This.

 

[Jack Burton]

There’s not much separation. KC can read the defense better while JG can throw the deep ball better.

I think that if Chryst and JG both had eligibility for another 2.5 seasons Chryst would be getting the starts. But because JG has all of the eligibility for 2019 and 2020 he’s the guy we’re going with.

They want to build on this season, but that may come at the cost of a W or two because JG can’t read a defense right now.

 

[johnrlansford]

There’s not much separation. KC can read the defense better while JG can throw the deep ball better.

I think that if Chryst and JG both had eligibility for another 2.5 seasons Chryst would be getting the starts. But because JG has all of the eligibility for 2019 and 2020 he’s the guy we’re going with.

They want to build on this season, but that may come at the cost of a W or two because JG can’t read a defense right now.

I completely disagree, Jeremy Pruitt wants to win and win now, he has plenty of QB depth with Shrout and The QB we have committed for the future, if KC was the best he would be starting, I would believe the same thing id JG was the back up QB. He is playing the best players, he isn't playing anyone because of fear of transfer or years of eligibility left. He will play the best regardless because he wants to win now, not just in the future! JMHO!