Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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scvolfan7 said:
That’s what I’m referring to. Strictly talking about the on the field product. Butch didn’t build depth, scheme well, or show any leadership skills. Wasn’t even a good manager. Had a couple good recruiting classes and that kept him here longer than he should’ve been. Give Dooley those players and he might make it to ATL
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Dooley had 2 first round picks, another’s top 35 pick, a TE that got drafted, 4 more NFL Olinemen and one of the most talented UT QB’s since Manning and went 4-7. Foh😂
 
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At least we know If Pruitt doesn't work out, he will go back to being a top rated Defensive coordinator. He's not going to be a laughing stock.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
All he has to do was hire Steele?

Guy went 4-19 in SEC play and left UT with arguably the worst roster in program history. Steele wasn’t saving that sinking ship.
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He would have been infinitely better than Sal. All that 2012 defense had to do was hold people to 28 points. Offense could score at will
 
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JAllen18 said:
Butch seemed to know how to run a program and field a discipline team, however his insecurity, lack of X & O's and lack of player development were his downfall.

Dooley knew X & O's, however his ego, arrogance and lack of recruiting skills were his downfall. He was always better suited for an AD role or a coordinator.

Pruitt seems to have both, X&O's and he knows how to run a program at this point.
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We shall see. Although I am optimistic.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Yes and Kevin steele is considered one of the best DC’s a went 9-38, what’s your point?
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That Dooley and steele are good coaches and butch isn’t. Just because butch got lucky in recruiting doesn’t mean he’s a good COACH. Means he’s a salesman that decently managed a couple teams to 9-4 season when those teams should have only lost a game or two
 
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scvolfan7 said:
That Dooley and steele are good coaches and butch isn’t. Just because butch got lucky in recruiting doesn’t mean he’s a good COACH. Means he’s a salesman that decently managed a couple teams to 9-4 season when those teams should have only lost a game or two
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Man you are so biased for some reason it’s hard to even take you seriously at this point.

In every measurable category Butch was better than Dooley. Every argument for Dooley you make is “if he would have...” because there’s nothing he ACTUALLY did that bolsters your argument.

Everything Butch did was “luck” and every shortcoming of Dooley you have an excuse for.
 
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WriterVol said:
Jumping in a vat of pure hydrochloric acid really sucks.

But, you know, jumping in a burning pool of lava sucks, too.

I can't decide which is worse.
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Well I’ve given this a lot of thought and I have to say I would prefer the pool of lava. It would kill me rather quickly whereas the hydrochloric acid would be a slow and miserable death.

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scvolfan7 said:
That Dooley and steele are good coaches and butch isn’t. Just because butch got lucky in recruiting doesn’t mean he’s a good COACH. Means he’s a salesman that decently managed a couple teams to 9-4 season when those teams should have only lost a game or two
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“Lucky” you realize it’s a Head coaches job to recruit and have your guys ready. Dooley had 5 NFL players on Oline, and NFL QB who’s one of the most talented UT QB’s since Manning, 2 of the top 2 WR’s in the SEC in 2012 and a really TE and went 4-7, Maybe he should have been “lucky” and recruit a defense. Dooley is the worst Head coach in UT history, period.
 
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Looking at records it seems pretty clear Jones was better overall. It's a pretty wide margin (.417 vs .588).

But when it came to the end, Dooley just fizzled. Jones flamed out in spectacular fashion and crashed hard.

Again, I don't think there's really a right answer because they were both wrong.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
That’s what I’m referring to. Strictly talking about the on the field product. Butch didn’t build depth, scheme well, or show any leadership skills. Wasn’t even a good manager. Had a couple good recruiting classes and that kept him here longer than he should’ve been. Give Dooley those players and he might make it to ATL
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Dooley couldn’t even compete with anyone ranked save for the LSU fiasco which counteracts your football intelligence point. Couldn’t coach up a kicker or ANYONE to even field a punt before Patterson. Special teams are a major litmus test for a HC. If they’re garbage...so is the HC. Until last season they were a strength under Butch. And the offensive performance in 16 outshone anything Dooley put out there. Before you say it was all Dobbs, he FLIPPED him and hired DeBord to get the rest of the players to step up. Dooley never had a huge lead against Oklahoma or Florida TO squander...all that was on the field. Dooley was the worst HC in our program’s history. If he ends up being a decent OC, that doesn’t change that status. You are what you win or lose. Dooley lost more, won less and recruited worse.
 
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Can someone explain to me the big deal about Bryce Love? All I see is a really small back that can't get to the corner... Much less around it.
 
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butchna said:
Dooley couldn’t even compete with anyone ranked save for the LSU fiasco which counteracts your football intelligence point. Couldn’t coach up a kicker or ANYONE to even field a punt before Patterson. Special teams are a major litmus test for a HC. If they’re garbage...so is the HC. Until last season they were a strength under Butch. And the offensive performance in 16 outshone anything Dooley put out there. Before you say it was all Dobbs, he FLIPPED him and hired DeBord to get the rest of the players to step up. Dooley never had a huge lead against Oklahoma or Florida TO squander...all that was on the field. Dooley was the worst HC in our program’s history. If he ends up being a decent OC, that doesn’t change that status. You are what you win or lose. Dooley lost more, won less and recruited worse.
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LOL...I almost forgot about that. Holy ****, we went almost an entire season without even attempting to field punts!
 
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jakez4ut said:
Can someone explain to me the big deal about Bryce Love? All I see is a really small back that can't get to the corner... Much less around it.
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Been hurt all year.

When healthy, he can turn the corner and fly. He’s really good when he doesn’t have a bum ankle.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Not on defense. He was an excellent evaluator on the offensive side. All he had to do was hire steele...
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Wilcox was horrible in your revisionist history? And what backs your “excellent evaluator” stretch?
 
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Smokey123 said:
“Lucky” you realize it’s a Head coaches job to recruit and have your guys ready. Dooley had 5 NFL players on Oline, and NFL QB who’s one of the most talented UT QB’s since Manning, 2 of the top 2 WR’s in the SEC in 2012 and a really TE and went 4-7, Maybe he should have been “lucky” and recruit a defense. Dooley is the worst Head coach in UT history, period.
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Right Dooley is a really good offensive coach. Shouldn’t have panicked over the CU loss to WV and hired steele. That was dumb.

Yes recruiting is part of being a head coach but recruiting isn’t part of coaching. Neither was good at developing talent on the whole, but at least Dooley could develop elite offensive talent. Butch couldn’t get the best out of either side of the ball. Ergo Dooley is a better COACH. Not a better head coach but a better coach.
 
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