Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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scvolfan7 said:
Lock looks about the same to me. His stats (really all Mizzou’s offensive stats) were boosted against horrible teams last year. Odom is a puss and runs up the score on bad teams. Dooley is better than Heupel scheme change or not. They’ve been able to score on good/mediocre teams consistently this year lol
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I read an article this past summer that posted his stats against teams with winning records last season.

52% completion rate
11/7 TD/INT rate

Rather pedestrian.
 
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Aesius said:
Auburn win gets even more impressive the more I think about it. Hadn't won an SEC game since Nov. 19 2016 and we just rolled into Auburn and dominated them. Despite giving up an early lead and having no success on offense outside of third downs.
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Been talking about it all week. I honestly can’t think of the last time we played a legit SEC power program on the road, played well for a full 60 minutes and straight up whipped them in the second half.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
You want the guy that was in charge of 4 of the 6 worst losses in UT history and the worst season in UT history?

Butch is so lucky he got Dobbs. He would have been fired middle of 2015 without him
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You want the guy who brought us our first back to back losing seasons in over 100 years and had 3 over the guy who had 2 in 5 years and two 9-4 seasons?

I mean it’s kinda his job to get the right player(s) to win. Take Bray and CP away and Dooley would have been even worse too lol. Not to mention Dooley left us a worse roster than Butch
 
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Butch seemed to know how to run a program and field a discipline team, however his insecurity, lack of X & O's and lack of player development were his downfall.

Dooley knew X & O's, however his ego, arrogance and lack of recruiting skills were his downfall. He was always better suited for an AD role or a coordinator.

Pruitt seems to have both, X&O's and he knows how to run a program at this point.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
You want the guy that was in charge of 4 of the 6 worst losses in UT history and the worst season in UT history?

Butch is so lucky he got Dobbs. He would have been fired middle of 2015 without him
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And Dooley SHOULD have been fired after his second season WITH Bray...meant little. No success you can point to in those three seasons. All losing seasons and one bowl loss... VS three winning seasons (two 9 win teams) and three for three in bowl wins. Numbers don’t support ya! Both were eventual failures but Butch lost a lot less. Add to that he snapped losing streaks to SC, UGA and most importantly FL. Minor miracle that we lost by 5 to Bama after having a late lead. Biggest wins for Dooley? Cincy and NC State.
 
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JAllen18 said:
Butch seemed to know how to run a program and field a discipline team, however his insecurity, lack of X & O's and lack of player development were his downfall.

Dooley knew X & O's, however his ego, arrogance and lack of recruiting skills were his downfall. He was always better suited for an AD role or a coordinator.

Pruitt seems to have both, X&O's and he knows how to run a program at this point.
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His X’s and O’s were awful and that’s a total understatement. I knew someone within the program while butch was the head coach and they said that when game down to the game plan, X’s and O’s, film.. that it was totally over his head it was like he couldn’t even comprehend it
 
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JAllen18 said:
Butch seemed to know how to run a program and field a discipline team, however his insecurity, lack of X & O's and lack of player development were his downfall.

Dooley knew X & O's, however his ego, arrogance and lack of recruiting skills were his downfall. He was always better suited for an AD role or a coordinator.

Pruitt seems to have both, X&O's and he knows how to run a program at this point.
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And Pruitt has a football friendly, understands how UT works, hall of fame coach as his AD
 
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JAllen18 said:
Butch seemed to know how to run a program and field a discipline team, however his insecurity, lack of X & O's and lack of player development were his downfall.

Dooley knew X & O's, however his ego, arrogance and lack of recruiting skills were his downfall. He was always better suited for an AD role or a coordinator.

Pruitt seems to have both, X&O's and he knows how to run a program at this point.
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I love the story about Dooley going for a jog around the practice field after practice one day while the reporters just stood around and waited for him to finish.

Speaking of which: we've had the History of the Lane Kiffin and Derek Dooley eras on Outkick the Coverage. Time for the Butch Jones version.
 
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butchna said:
And Dooley SHOULD have been fired after his second season WITH Bray...meant little. No success you can point to in those three seasons. All losing seasons and one bowl loss. Three winning seasons (two 9 win teams) and three for three in bowl wins. Numbers don’t support ya! Both were eventual failures but Butch lost a lot less. Add to that he snapped losing streaks to SC, UGA and most importantly FL. Minor miracle that we lost by 5 to Bama after having a late lead. Biggest wins for Dooley? Cincy and NC State.
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Bray got hurt that year. That derailed the season
Edit: I’m going by eye test. Not numbers. Dooley has better teams consistently than butch
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Don't know if he's the worst but he may very well know the least about X's and O's of any coach whose ever cast a shadow on our sideline.
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That’s what I’m referring to. Strictly talking about the on the field product. Butch didn’t build depth, scheme well, or show any leadership skills. Wasn’t even a good manager. Had a couple good recruiting classes and that kept him here longer than he should’ve been. Give Dooley those players and he might make it to ATL
 
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scvolfan7 said:
That’s what I’m referring to. Strictly talking about the on the field product. Butch didn’t build depth, scheme well, or show any leadership skills. Wasn’t even a good manager. Had a couple good recruiting classes and that kept him here longer than he should’ve been. Give Dooley those players and he might make it to ATL
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Big part in assessing a coach is their recruiting. Dooley couldn’t recruit the players to sniff Atlanta
 
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