Pruitt and Fulmer have hijacked the offense

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#78
Devo182 said:
From the moment CJP stated this would be a "power run" offense, you already knew Helton and his Brohm/pass-heavy background were being manipulated. You could only hope the oversight would be minimal.

5 games in and we all see this isn't true. Despite running for a horrendous 2.8 YPC in league play, while passing for 7.5 YPA (similar ratios overall; pathetic at the run and nationally top-25 at pass efficiency), UT and Helton (presumably) continue to call run plays with a 2:1 ratio to pass plays. This is very UNlike Helton and what he would have learned from Brohm.

Why does Pruitt feel the need to interject himself on offense? Why did we even come out and define our offensive phililosophy without it being the OC's input? What is the role of the OC here? Should Butch have allowed a defensive identity to form a priori to Shoop the last few years?

I just can't fathom why offensive HCs interject on the defense and defensive HCs do the same on offense. Just LET IT GO ffs. This is a recurring problem at UT.
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CAN WE JUST HIRE YOU....YOU HAVE TO BE AN EXPERT>>>>TENNESSEE FANS MAKE ME SICK !!
 
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savannahfan said:
There is no way to "fix" any offense that is as limited as our players preform immediately. Sense Dobbs , who covered up lots of sins, the true ineptness of our offense players has shown glaringly. Nothing can be "fixed immediately" when faced with this challenge.
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Need to put A.Taylor back into a wide-out position as soon as we can get a decent cover corner.
 
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Devo182 said:
From the moment CJP stated this would be a "power run" offense, you already knew Helton and his Brohm/pass-heavy background were being manipulated. You could only hope the oversight would be minimal.

5 games in and we all see this isn't true. Despite running for a horrendous 2.8 YPC in league play, while passing for 7.5 YPA (similar ratios overall; pathetic at the run and nationally top-25 at pass efficiency), UT and Helton (presumably) continue to call run plays with a 2:1 ratio to pass plays. This is very UNlike Helton and what he would have learned from Brohm.

Why does Pruitt feel the need to interject himself on offense? Why did we even come out and define our offensive phililosophy without it being the OC's input? What is the role of the OC here? Should Butch have allowed a defensive identity to form a priori to Shoop the last few years?

I just can't fathom why offensive HCs interject on the defense and defensive HCs do the same on offense. Just LET IT GO ffs. This is a recurring problem at UT.
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Because he is the head coach and has the most to lose.
 
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njvols said:
I could be wrong, but from day 1, Pruitt has said he wants to be power run with ability to stretch the field on deep passes. I think he's trying to infuse the tough mind-set of running the ball, which most of us would LOVE to be a smash-mouth team again. Problem is, OL can't power block very well right now and certainly can't protect JG long enough, nor do we have burners, to make deep game a real threat. Think it's a philosophical question. Do you set the model in place this year, regardless of effectiveness, with the thinking that next year we're farther along towards the vision? Or, do you take baby steps towards it by still keeping a shell of previous concepts that most of the players were recruited towards? Only a guess, but I believe Pruitt knows that this year going to be tough, regardless, so he's going "all in" on culture/mentality change in year 1. I do question some things like not moving the pocket around or throwing a few more deep balls just to keep teams thinking about it, but imagine that when OL improves, we'll see more down field passing.
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I think that’s the goal. Obviously we’d like to win 6 but in the long run establishing the identity is more important and beneficial.
 
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I think this is just a calculated gamble moreso than a hijack. I'm mostly convinced, not positive mind you, that Butch would've made a bowl game last season if the team had not quit on him. I think that our best shot at a bowl game this year would've been to let the upperclassmen play in a system that is more or less suited to their strengths and training. CJP does not want to run Butch's offense. This is a throwaway year for the new staff. I'm sure they wouldn't say it out loud, but I doubt they care much about how many wins we get this season. They wanted to implement the I and they did it. Whether it is the right decision is TBD but the answer will probably have more to do with how well they recruit than the scheme.
 
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This guy aint gonna sling it all over the field. He's just not.
A HC has every right to have his plan in place to build the program. If it goes against the philosophy of the coordinator either the coordinator learns to adapt or he moves on.

When the all out blitz is on you can't have the QB sitting up in the pocket waiting to launch a 40 yd pass, which we saw against Ga and JG got crushed. The qb has to be able to read that d and check into another play.
We have a terrible o line = no protection and the QB seems to struggle reading the defense= recipe for disaster. the HC see's this so he will continue to try and run the ball/ the clock.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think this is just a calculated gamble moreso than a hijack. I'm mostly convinced, not positive mind you, that Butch would've made a bowl game last season if the team had not quit on him. I think that our best shot at a bowl game this year would've been to let the upperclassmen play in a system that is more or less suited to their strengths and training. CJP does not want to run Butch's offense. This is a throwaway year for the new staff. I'm sure they wouldn't say it out loud, but I doubt they care much about how many wins we get this season. They wanted to implement the I and they did it. Whether it is the right decision is TBD but the answer will probably have more to do with how well they recruit than the scheme.
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yeah, and i'm not sure i'd of been all that fired up if i would have seen us line up in a lot of the same formations offensively we've seen the last couple years.

still, i'd like to have something to hang my hat for the future, as i'm sure everyone here would.

so it seems our choices are down to:
short term pain for long term gain....or
these guys aren't as good as we thought they were

either way, it doesn't seem we're going to find out for a while.....regardless of how the rest of the season plays out. and i'm still holding out some hope that we see some signs of life in November. we could be sitting here in 6 weeks feeling "ok".

we've jsut been thru the ringer already this season, with two killer games still hanging over our heads and a USCe game that doesn't feel all that good given how the schedule lays out for both teams.

KY, MO, Vandy and UNCC. that's the season in a nutshell....but i'm not opposed to being pleasantly surprised along the way though....
 
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Zues1 said:
This guy aint gonna sling it all over the field. He's just not.
A HC has every right to have his plan in place to build the program. If it goes against the philosophy of the coordinator either the coordinator learns to adapt or he moves on.

When the all out blitz is on you can't have the QB sitting up in the pocket waiting to launch a 40 yd pass, which we saw against Ga and JG got crushed. The qb has to be able to read that d and check into another play.
We have a terrible o line = no protection and the QB seems to struggle reading the defense= recipe for disaster. the HC see's this so he will continue to try and run the ball/ the clock.
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Why would you hire a coordinator that went against your offensive philosophy?
 
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We cannot run or pass block against SEC competition thus far and that is the problem. Once we are able to have decent O line play, then you will see a better offense. BTW, our QBs are not so great at this point either.
 
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When you always run on first down, you help the defense out a lot cause they already know to stack the box.

It seems very run 1st, run 2nd, throw third formula that very rarely changes.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think this is just a calculated gamble moreso than a hijack. I'm mostly convinced, not positive mind you, that Butch would've made a bowl game last season if the team had not quit on him. I think that our best shot at a bowl game this year would've been to let the upperclassmen play in a system that is more or less suited to their strengths and training. CJP does not want to run Butch's offense. This is a throwaway year for the new staff. I'm sure they wouldn't say it out loud, but I doubt they care much about how many wins we get this season. They wanted to implement the I and they did it. Whether it is the right decision is TBD but the answer will probably have more to do with how well they recruit than the scheme.
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He may be trying to instill his scheme, but I doubt they don't care much about winning. You can see from the look in his fact to his comments that he is somewhat befuddled at the level of play.

We have guys who are as big and talented as other teams who seem to put up a fight....not sure why this staff cant seem to get a starting lineup to do the same. Don't think it's like of coaching prowess....so maybe it's buy-in or GAF factor by upperclassmen who are on the field....sad if so and sadder if these players are the best option to put on the field. Maybe once the underclassmen have more SC and time to learn the scheme they'll give a better effort.

I want my team to win as much as the rest of you....but for now, I'd like to see some mean, pissed off dudes who want to knock the ever-loving snot out of someone.....who play with effort and determination. Getting close on D...but a ways to go on O from what I've seen.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
We cannot run or pass block against SEC competition thus far and that is the problem. Once we are able to have decent O line play, then you will see a better offense. BTW, our QBs are not so great at this point either.
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We couldnt run or pass block against etsu and utep for some of the game..talent gap im sure.
 
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volfannbama said:
We couldnt run or pass block against etsu and utep for some of the game..talent gap im sure.
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Talent gap would be my first guess. Offensive imagination is right out of the window as well. There is also not a whole lot to work with up front either. Hopefully that changes.
 
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#94
Now that we know all this great information we need to cover the known facts.

1...Our O line just can NOT run block very well.

2...Our O line just can NOT pass block very well.

3...Simply NOT being able to run block or pass block very well means that the OC is stuck in a bad corner with zero realistic options he can use.

4...Knowing these things the best option for our O is to try to run the ball as best we can, keep the game clock moving to make the game go faster, keep the other teams O off the field as much as we can and let our D get as much rest as possible to try to lower the other teams scoring.

Our OC should be so frustrated that he just flips a coin to call his plays...heads, we run, tails, we pass.

Our HC should be so frustrated that he's pulling all his hair out and becomes bald, oh, wait, LOL!

When we can recruit real SEC type O linemen and have a couple of years to build them up in our S&C program and our coaches can teach and train them the right ways to run our O systems then we'll see what Helton can do with a good footVol Team.

I totally HATE trying to remain being patient!!!

I want to get WINS right damn NOW!

You can bet your house that all our coaches and players want Wins right now too.

It just is what it is unfortunately.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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To add to the frustration - their most brilliant play call of the year was juggled and fumbled through the end zone by the hapless Pope kid.

This is year zero. They should redshirt most freshmen with potential and build SEC caliber strength. The schedule is brutal and is vastly improved next season. Laugh it off as it will be a Laurel and Hardy show for 2018 and if somehow Pruitt and staff stumble into 5 wins - he deserves SEC coach of the year consideration. I remember years ago at an Alabama game and guys seated behind me were catcalling Majors. They said the game plan was too conservative. I asked them what was the last play call? The entire backfield was knocked flat on their butts and you could not tell if a run or pass was called.

This team was pushed around by ETSU and UTEP up front. In SEC play it will be ugly but time, redshirting, and roster turnover are the only cures for this malady.
 
#96
#96
volfannbama said:
Why would you hire a coordinator that went against your offensive philosophy?
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Maybe he tried to hire a person he felt was a bright mind and on the rise. Maybe that person lead him to believe he could run any style O Pruitt wanted. Maybe the person mislead Pruitt, maybe Pruitt misjudged his abilities. aight
 
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knox73 said:
To add to the frustration - their most brilliant play call of the year was juggled and fumbled through the end zone by the hapless Pope kid.

This is year zero. They should redshirt most freshmen with potential and build SEC caliber strength. The schedule is brutal and is vastly improved next season. Laugh it off as it will be a Laurel and Hardy show for 2018 and if somehow Pruitt and staff stumble into 5 wins - he deserves SEC coach of the year consideration. I remember years ago at an Alabama game and guys seated behind me were catcalling Majors. They said the game plan was too conservative. I asked them what was the last play call? The entire backfield was knocked flat on their butts and you could not tell if a run or pass was called.

This team was pushed around by ETSU and UTEP up front. In SEC play it will be ugly but time, redshirting, and roster turnover are the only cures for this malady.
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Doolander?
 
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#99
Devo182 said:
Yes, but why?

Surely our 2:1 run-to-pass ratio doesn't help. Neither do long developing vertical plays. I have heard of some wizadry that involves quick, short passes and RPOs. Whenceforth do we find such black majik? Does that cost us another 1.2 milliion to unlock?!?

Why does CJP contend it is all about execution and scheme means nothing?? Bad excuses.
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To develop long pass plays.....one must have an OL that can block more than 2 seconds to allow said play do develop. Hence all of our throws are out of JG's hands within 3-4 seconds because the opposing DL is getting to him at this point.
 
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