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Yes, I know that mentioning anything Basilio brings out the pitchforks around here and believe me, I take this all with a grain of salt as I do with anything he reports.....but Basilio has been talking about this for a while and now he's claiming sources. I thought it interesting and bold enough to share and discuss......

Friends in the football industry are telling me that Tennessee OC Tyson Helton's agent Trace Armstrong is putting out the word in coaching circles that his client isn't getting a fair shake in Knoxville thus far. The basic gist of Armstrong's message is don't judge my guy based on what you've seen thus far. Armstrong is painting a narrative where Helton isn't being allowed to do his own thing. This isn't tremendously surprising in that the first five games for Helton have been mostly miserable from an offensive standpoint.
 
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Isn't Basilio the same guy who said Fulmer's first two contacts were Patterson & Fuente for the HC job? Dead wrong. To be honest this just sounds like starting drama for the sake of it.

This is year ONE, FIVE GAMES into the Pruitt regime & Helton doesnt even have an average line or the QB he wants to run his system. Not angry with OP, but these impatient fans who are expecting this new staff to be gods 5 games into the toughest schedule Ive seen in a while are silly.

Kind of just ranting at this point, but give Helton some time guys. If he leaves, he leaves but until then I like the improvements Im seeing.
 
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Writers gotta write... even if its fiction. But for what it's worth, it wouldn't break my heart to see Helton go. He hasn't really proven or disproven anything yet. When we have the horses and play calling is clearly the problem maybe Helton starts showing his true colors or calls foul play. Until he has the players to execute anything but a terrible run offense and a barely better passing attack I think he stays put.
 
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GBOVFL88 said:
Writers gotta write... even if its fiction. But for what it's worth, it wouldn't break my heart to see Helton go. He hasn't really proven or disproven anything yet. When we have the horses and play calling is clearly the problem maybe Helton starts showing his true colors or calls foul play. Until he has the players to execute anything but a terrible run offense and a barely better passing attack I think he stays put.
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basillo isn't a writer. he's a blow hard that "says stuff" to get a reaction.
 
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I gotta say, if im the head coach my offensive coord will be running my offense and doing things my way. If I get fired, it's gonna be totally on me and not because I let one of coordinators do their own thing.

Now, if I know I have no clue about offense, yeah, I'm gonna hire the best off coordinator I can find a let him do his thing until I gain the knowledge of how to run an offense. This is just good wisdom.

By the way, I would install a power run game mixed with a little spd and load option, with pa being my main pass offense. Defensively, I'd be 43 base with predominantly zone coverage. A lot of bend but don't break, trying to force fgs and turnovers. Stout against the run, but gonna give up plenty of pass yardage.
 
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InstrumentalVol said:
Isn't Basilio the same guy who said Fulmer's first two contacts were Patterson & Fuente for the HC job? Dead wrong. To be honest this just sounds like starting drama for the sake of it.

This is year ONE, FIVE GAMES into the Pruitt regime & Helton doesnt even have an average line or the QB he wants to run his system. Not angry with OP, but these impatient fans who are expecting this new staff to be gods 5 games into the toughest schedule Ive seen in a while are silly.

Kind of just ranting at this point, but give Helton some time guys. If he leaves, he leaves but until then I like the improvements Im seeing.
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No, that was actually 247
 
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No one can answer how much playcalling Helton did at USC. Now there’s the question of how much he’s doing here. Is Friend calling plays too or just Helton? It’s a weird situation and Basilio is one of the few not afraid to report it.
 
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volsportsfan said:
I gotta say, if im the head coach my offensive coord will be running my offense and doing things my way. If I get fired, it's gonna be totally on me and not because I let one of coordinators do their own thing.

Now, if I know I have no clue about offense, yeah, I'm gonna hire the best off coordinator I can find a let him do his thing until I gain the knowledge of how to run an offense. This is just good wisdom.

By the way, I would install a power run game mixed with a little spd and load option, with pa being my main pass offense. Defensively, I'd be 43 base with predominantly zone coverage. A lot of bend but don't break, trying to force fgs and turnovers. Stout against the run, but gonna give up plenty of pass yardage.
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Why would a head coach hire an OC whose own "thing" wasn't pretty much the same as the HC's "thing?"
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
Why would a head coach hire an OC whose own "thing" wasn't pretty much the same as the HC's "thing?"
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Most do I suppose because the head man wants his scheme installed and ran. So, it would be wise to hire a man who is well versed all ready in said scheme.

But, if I had minimal knowledge on one side of the ball or the other, I would hire the best coordinator possible and let him install his scheme.

I think dabo does this at Clemson. He is on record saying that venables runs the defense, and dabo was humble and wise enough to let venables do his thing. I would also bet that dabo has learned a thing or two about defense from venables in their time together. If venables ever decides to leave, dabo may be able to keep that defense at a decent level of success if he has learned anything from venables. Always learning, always striving to master your craft and be the best. It's the key to being a successful football coach imo
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
He wasn't wrong about the Haslams and was reporting it longggggggggggggggggg before the Schiano disaster
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that' wasn't exactly ground breaking informaiton. the haslams had been in control for a very long time, and it was pretty common knowledge who pulled the strings. Basillo didn't come across that info and enlighten everyone about what affect they've had on the program.

unless you've never listen to anyone else or never read anything about the subject, and Tony B is the only way you get info on the program.
 
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