Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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BigOrangeVols said:
We clearly were able to throw the ball with decent success against Florida early on. Guys were getting wide open on some nice routes. What do we do? Run up the gut twice, throw on third and long and JG is pressured and throws ints/fumbles. Some self awareness that we don't have Alabama caliber players and that we should call plays that favor these guys would be nice. We should also abandon the run almost completely. We couldn't run on ETSU, we're not running on SEC teams.
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I seriously think one of the main problem is this staff has is not understanding that they don't have the talent that they are used to. They are struggling with understanding why things don't work. Pruitt has never had to deal with this lack of talent in his whole coaching career.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Every word of this.

I'm dumbfounded at how so many people are convinced "he's the guy". I don't see how it can be anything beyond "wait and see" at best. I've seen two bad losses, an a couple of fair performances against the worst teams every to come into Neyland.

I also am ready to admit I have no clue how to judge a head coach that is not Meyer, Petersen, or Saban.

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I think their background is a better clue than we often admit. Dooley was a coach with a losing record, and many were surprised when he had a losing record at UT. Butch had a history of success following Brian Kelly; it came from out of nowhere for some folks that he failed when he couldn’t piggy back off BK.

So here we have a staff where the leaders have mostly worked for programs the equivalent of a Ferrari; they’ve never been a part of a massive rebuild. I doubt they know how to do it. That doesn’t mean they aren’t good coaches, it just means their skill sets may not have been a great fit for our current situation. So not only are they having to learn to be a head coach, OC, DC; they are having to learn to do it at a program in a completely different place than what they are used to.
 
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Here is a thing i noticed after rewatching the game on TV:

The turnover play on the strip sack/interception.

1. Jordan blows a blocking assignment. No doubt about it.

2. The ball should’ve been out already. This Just a simple clear out concept. The wr in the flat is already open, so JG has to do better at anticipating that.
 

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nicksjuzunk said:
Well... I guess I'm ready to blend my noise in with the discussion you've already got going.

1. 99 Problems, and 'bout all of 'em are OL: For whatever reason, lack of size, strength, talent, buy in... our OL is continually awful, and our All-American Trey Smith has not been up to All-SEC level yet. This severely hampers Helton, who is not completely off the hook in his playcalling. However, I believe Will Friend is a very good OL coach, which means it is a matter of time, and not "if ever" regarding the OL. I said after the WV game that it would take a minimum of 3 years before this team looks anything like what we hope (8+ wins) and I still say that is accurate. Friend needs his dudes in here building, and he needs the dudes that are already here building. They absolutely do not have the stuff right now. Frankly speaking, outside of Trey Smith, I don't think anyone beyond current Freshmen will amount to much on this team. Play out of neccesity, because there is nothing else, but would not play on a team of OL like we are trying to build.

2. Helton's Hell: This leads me to point two. First of all, Helton probably has 70% limitation in his play calling based on what the OL is giving him. Shocking. Elite OC's still find a way to be somewhat productive even with OL deficincies. It is nearly to the point of working magic though. One thing is clear, Helton is not an elite OC 4 games into his first full-time gig. He's not even been good. The predictability of the offense is because he's squeezed into a 30% mould, and he is honestly struggling how to make it work. Best case scenario, is he grows from this. Worst case, is he continues forward hard headed, and we continue to run the ball 26 times on first down. A chef needs ingredients to cook, and an OC needs an OL to score. The chef can still get something on the table if you give him leftovers, but don't expect Michelin Star quality. Helton's cooking with leftovers.

3. Execution vs. Scheme: We have to look objectively at what is going wrong here. So much of these issues are arising from player mis-executions. Now, if you like to find fault with the coaches in every single thing, you would argue that they should have them better prepared, taught, etc. If you defend the coaches, you say "they aren't on the field". The truth is probably somewhat in the middle, but time after time, I see where things should work, but the players don't make it work. The Pope fumble on a brilliant call and routine extension towards the goal line, the onside kick that was perfectly executed, and somehow it looks like the Tennessee players don't realize they can destroy the Florida player there. Low snap fumble, blindside strip sack, INT... so much of this is execution.

Now when we look at scheme, we've already discussed the offense, and how the OL is limiting an OC who hasn't been able to do much to counter that. Defensively, this team played well. I want to draw attention to 4 Florida scoring plays:


A. 38 yard TD pass to Cleveland: Theo Jackson is in absolutely perfect position, but can't find the ball on his outside shoulder on a tightly thrown pass to the endzone. It was a brilliant pass, but the player is in position to defend that ball.

B. 65 yard TD pass to Swain: Great coverage by TN secondary flushes Franks out of the pocket. Inexplicably, the TN DB, Flowers or Jackson from memory drops coverage to come up into no man's land if Franks tucks it. Franks has not tucked it. He has it cocked and loaded, and hits a wide open Swain for a easy catch and run to the endzone.

C. 19 yard TD run to begin second half: Mentally, after the first half miscues, the Shamburger fumble took the soul of this team prior to this play. The effort was not there at all.

D. 65 yard Goal line defense TD: This was the bizarre call by Pruitt to line up in goal line defense, knowing if they got through, they would score. I really don't understand the thought process here. Maybe he knew the game was completely over, and wanted to see if they would man up for a single play... I don't know, but Florida scored. If Tennessee takes care of A, B, C, you probably never see D.

So with these plays, you have 3 mis-executions, and one schematic problem that would never be made if the game was within striking distance. Of course you can't cherry pick what to keep and lose in a game, but look at what these 4 errors cost.

187 yards = 48% of Florida's offensive production.

Florida was a dismal 3-11 on 3rd downs. That's good overall defense. This game is not on the coaches. The players allowed big plays and turned it over.
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Nick, this is what I have wanted to say all night...I've failed miserably. Dead on, brother.
 
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HankHill said:
Jordan got tangled and couldn’t get a release to the outside. If anything cardinal rule on a screen, If it’s not there... throw it at someone’s feet. You NEVER throw an INT on a Screen like that.
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Bingo.
 
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HankHill said:
Here is a thing i noticed after rewatching the game on TV:

The turnover play on the strip sack/interception.

1. Jordan blows a blocking assignment. No doubt about it.

2. The ball should’ve been out already. This Just a simple clear out concept. The wr in the flat is already open, so JG has to do better at anticipating that.
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I said it earlier that the ball should've already been out and I got flamed for it
 
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HankHill said:
That’s ridiculous. We weren’t doing anything on offense so kick off return is another chance for a big play.
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Exactly. For some, Hank, this is a difficult concept to understand. Seems obvious to me. But it's "coaching", man! 🙄
 
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UTProf said:
OL is absolutely our biggest problem but seeing posts in the FF that want Friend fired for it is surreal. Firing Will Friend would be about the best way to ensure the OL never gets better.
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That's on you for going in there tbh. The collective IQ in there is in the single digits, especially after a loss.
 
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SugarCC said:
This.
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Dormady threw 3 NT’s, one of them was returned for a TD. Dormady slightly under threw a TD pass to Kelly that Kelly dropped when he was matched up vs a LB in cover zero(great offensive play call btw). You can pick and choose all you want to create a narrative lol
 
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HankHill said:
Jordan got tangled and couldn’t get a release to the outside. If anything cardinal rule on a screen, If it’s not there... throw it at someone’s feet. You NEVER throw an INT on a Screen like that.
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He never got tangled up, it was supposed to be delayed. It was a great play by the end, he rushed and then recognized it was a screen, disengaged and dropped back as JG was releasing the ball. Even if Jordan caught it he was gonna be tackled right away, Ryan Johnson and DWA blocked the same dude (RJ whiffed) and left a LB to come flying in.
 
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