Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[jakez4ut]

On that on-side kick we ran, Lt. Dan could jump higher than what our players did who "went for the ball."

the jumping wasn't the problem. one of the 4 guys that jumped was supposed to block the FL guy. no one did.

 

[JCP201]

You certainly can’t run 26 times on first down. We were successful with medium passes in the first half, yet they didn’t want to call it. I agree with a post from last night that Kiffin would have called a game that would have scored 35 on that defense.

I have gotten over Kiffin's shenanigans, but they won't ever hire him again. Pruitt has three years, and if he's not a good coach, at least he's entertaining.

 

[jakez4ut]

AMEN. Burn it down. We’ll be better next year for it.

Every second an older guy plays delays our recovery.

the qb isn't' the problem. it won't matter who playes the position behind that OL. JG isn't perfect, but he's not THE reason we're bad on offense.

 

[GoBears]

We had 6 ****ing turnovers guys.... how is that Pruitt or Helton’s fault

Here is how the turnovers are the coaches fault: run on first down, run on second down and get in a situation where the entire stadium knows you have to pass and they bring pressure causing fumbles and interceptions. Secondly, has anyone seen any other team return kickoffs out of the end zone with absolutely no chance and guess what another turnover there. Coaching definitely contributed to the turnover problem.

 

[zhangliao04]

the jumping wasn't the problem. one of the 4 guys that jumped was supposed to block the FL guy. no one did.

Yep. Like someone point out earlier everyone wanted to be the hero. In reality it was a lot of selfishness and bad football playing.

 

[LargePairOfVols]

The Brinks truck model obviously doesn't work. Helton is inside the top 8 highest paid assistant coach in the country. So we essentially backed up the Brinks truck for him and all that has gotten us was a few steps back on offense.

Seriously I think we have taken more than a few steps back offensively. At least last year we were in competitive games against Florida, Kentucky, and USCjr. That will not be the case as tonight has shown.

We didn’t go the Brinks model with the head coach...a coach that knows how to build a program.

 

[nashvol1]

Didnt think the onside kick was desperation. The announcers were driving this narrative but we caught them off guard. It was well timed, but our guys didn’t attack the ball or the FL player. Check that they all tried to attack the ball and did a poor job

 

[drylo]

He was insane to take on this job, it is probably going to ruin a promising career, maybe several careers. This team is everything I thought it was, and hoped it wasn't.

I don't believe any coach in the world would be doing any better with this bunch. It is just a broken, hapless and hopeless group of guys that can't seem to learn how to play football.

I applaud Pruitt for having the courage and confidence to take on this monster of a rebuild, but I wouldn't doubt he is sitting somewhere thinking he has made a huge miscalculation.

This what everyone (including especially me) was saying about Derek Mason in year one, especially when he got blown out at home by Temple. Yesterday was miserable, but I do think if we give it time, Pruitt will do well.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Guys, we had 6 turnovers. We don’t really need a lot of analysis on the final score. I seriously doubt the score would have been the same absent those turnovers. We may have still lost but the magnitude of the loss was arguably due to our turnovers.

So I’m trying to figure this out. Our first 2 games we have zero turnovers and were a leader in the nation with fewest penalties then last week against UTEP everything breaks down. This week it snowballs.

One thing to keep in mind is the overwhelming majority of turnovers statistically are committed by the team that is playing from behind. That could have played a role in the snowballing effect last night.

There are all kinds of candidates we could identify if we’re going to engage in finger pointing but I don’t think that’s going to actually make anyone feel all that much better.

However and on second thought, venting is very therapeutic, so carry on.

By the way we only dropped from #14 to #22 nationally in total defense after this game (I know, the season is young) but we now rank #108 in turnover margin.

Also one last time, almost all of our guys on the OLine are still fairly new to the position they are playing. We spent most of the entire preseason rotating guys through different positions in order to build depth. Now some of you may think continuity is more important than depth and maybe it is and maybe it's not but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. At least we now have some depth, sort of.

 

[millst987]

Didnt think the onside kick was desperation. The announcers were driving this narrative but we caught them off guard. It was well timed, but our guys didn’t attack the ball or the FL player

It was a great call, and would’ve flipped the momentum if executed properly. I loved the call

 

[nashvol1]

Isn’t it telling that when Pruitt talks about leadership he points to our 3rd string freshman running back.

Butch was so lucky to have Dobbs because he clearly didn’t help any guys develop into leaders.

 

[AppStVol]

Is it me or did it appear that UFs defensive lineman were lined up in the nuetral zone all night?

 

[VolGee4]

On the first turnover, was Jordan supposed to pick up the DE? He went to help Smith and that guy came in unabated. It set the tone for the whole game, IMO.

I never played football but pretty sure you are taught to block inside out. My guess is he thought that Smith got beat and needed help. But JG has to recognize the blitz.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

Here’s my “woulda, coulda, shoulda” analysis and why we shouldn’t give up.

1. If JG doesn’t get blindsided and fumbles we save 7 points.

2. If we recover the onside kick we don’t get pinned at our two and give up a safety, saving 2 points.

3. If Shamburger doesn’t fumble a kickoff, we save 7 points.

4. If Pope doesn’t fumble through the end zone we potentially add 7 points,

Do the math. Because of 4 freak plays, 47-21 becomes 31-28. We still would have had 3 turnovers in this scenario so I’m not saying “oh if we’d have played perfect we woulda won.” But if you think about it, if we had just played a “sloppy game” instead of an “extra sloppy game”, we would have been right in it.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

To be honest, no, I don't think winning this year is at the top of his priorities.

Do I need to say it? Paging Herm Edwards.

 

[rekinhavoc]

I never played football but pretty sure you are taught to block inside out. My guess is he thought that Smith got beat and needed help. But JG has to recognize the blitz.

I think JG is a good not great QB . I think we discussed toughness is not the number one accolade your starting QB should have. I love that he hangs in there throws the ball and takes the lick but not every dang pass play. He is having to do it too much . He is too tough for his own good.

 

[KPT_VFL]

Not going to a game again for a while. Yesterday was my first time in 2 years. Not worth it.

 

[Volnukem]

The SEC should be ashamed of that officiating last night. I can’t be sure, but I want to say it was so lopsided early on because of the student section’s F*** you Florida chant.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Remember when Barb worried someone would waltz in and win with Butch's players taking all the credit for his hard work?

 

[Kingston Vol]

Here’s my “woulda, coulda, shoulda” analysis and why we shouldn’t give up.

1. If JG doesn’t get blindsided and fumbles we save 7 points.

2. If we recover the onside kick we don’t get pinned at our two and give up a safety, saving 2 points.

3. If Shamburger doesn’t fumble a kickoff, we save 7 points.

4. If Pope doesn’t fumble through the end zone we potentially add 7 points,

Do the math. Because of 4 freak plays, 47-21 becomes 31-28. We still would have had 3 turnovers in this scenario so I’m not saying “oh if we’d have played perfect we woulda won.” But if you think about it, if we had just played a “sloppy game” instead of an “extra sloppy game”, we would have been right in it.

It can be just as easily argued that Florida created those turnovers with their aggressive play. Mullen and Grantham shut us down with a very underwhelming Gator roster. They had their team ready to play in a hostile atmosphere. Our coaches did not have our players ready to compete, plain and simple.

 

[KokoBVol]

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[InVOLuntary]

Remember when Barb worried someone would waltz in and win with Butch's players taking all the credit for his hard work?

Barb needs to focus on her dip.

 

[rekinhavoc]

It can be just as easily argued that Florida created those turnovers with their aggressive play. Mullen and Grantham shut us down with a very underwhelming Gator roster. They had their team ready to play in a hostile atmosphere. Our coaches did not have our players ready to compete, plain and simple.

I think the coaches were just as shell shocked as anyone the team folded like they did.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

No coach killer here. Can you honestly say this team has looked well coached? I realize there are issues with this roster, especially on o line. But you can't tell me there aren't staffs out there who get much better results with less. That is what we need to progress. Because if we want for our offensive coordinator to get better recruits with the record were going to end up you better pack a lunch and a tent cause your going to be waiting indefinitely.

This is bullcrap, first of all I said the team has a lot of "coach killers" so you started off wrong. We as fans are just unobservant idiots that like to scapegoat coaches, but have no real impact on the way the team plays. These guys are all proven teachers of the game. If these players are still this fundamentally stupid, it is not on these coaches.


You guys wanna gripe about play calling, what play can you call that works consistently when your OL is full of guys that can't block, or your guys give the ball up?

What defense can you call that looks good when your guys get little push, can't tackle and bust assignments?

It is fundamental execution that is killing this team, and it is these players that are brain farting it up out there despite having great fundamental coaches...


So..like I said..the TEAM is full of coach killers...guys that either don't care enough to focus on learning, or are just too football stupid to learn.

 

[VolGee4]

The SEC should be ashamed of that officiating last night. I can’t be sure, but I want to say it was so lopsided early on because of the student section’s F*** you Florida chant.

It was bad, has always been bad, and won’t get fixed. Alabama will always be able to hold, and our coaches will always get unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. I am just resigned to this.