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#78
You guys do know that even if the warrants fall short of someone's snuff, it doesnt reflect on what Mueller has discovered. He's just doing his job.
 
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0nelilreb said:
And yet you are not the least bit curious that mueller hasn’t said one thing to the man they said was acting as a Russian spy ? Carter page ) we are about to see the warrant on the guy they used to get in with but he hasn’t sat before anyone from the FBI , DOJ or team M ... that’s not odd to you ?
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I'm not an investigator, I don't know. Mueller has kept tight lipped about everything. Maybe he has spoken with him. Maybe not. We don't know.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I'm not an investigator, I don't know. Mueller has kept tight lipped about everything. Maybe he has spoken with him. Maybe not. We don't know.
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Page has said many times even this week he said it again , not one person from the government has spoken to him ( fbi,DoJ , and nobody from muellers team ) don’t you find this odd sense he is the original one they sought out ?
 
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volinbham said:
what if we learn that they left out exculpatory evidence in the FISA application (which they are not supposed to do) and relied heavily on the unverified dossier?

That cool?
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Not to answer for Zep, but that ball gets put into the court's court. Wouldn't it?
 
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Stew Cook said:
Not to answer for Zep, but that ball gets put into the courts court. Wouldn't it?
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I don't understand what you are saying. If you are saying the remedy for this is in the hands of the FISA court or some other court then technically I guess. They would ultimately rule on violations. That doesn't change whether or not one thinks this is proper use of the FISA court and more generally what you think our government should be able to do.
 
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volinbham said:
I don't understand what you are saying. If you are saying the remedy for this is in the hands of the FISA court or some other court then technically I guess. They would ultimately rule on violations. That doesn't change whether or not one thinks this is proper use of the FISA court and more generally what you think our government should be able to do.
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Ya, that's what I meant. Not so much about eating crow.
 
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volinbham said:
what if we learn that they left out exculpatory evidence in the FISA application (which they are not supposed to do) and relied heavily on the unverified dossier?

That cool?
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Don't think that will be an issue. The warrant will stand.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Don't think that will be an issue. The warrant will stand.
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the warrant standing at this point is a non-issue. can't unring that bell, the damage is done and the surveillance occurred.

I'm asking if you are cool with the government excluding exculpatory evidence and relying on unverified information that was paid opposition research (oh and they omitted that fact) - assuming all these allegations are true? All to get authority to spy on a US citizen?
 
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volinbham said:
the warrant standing at this point is a non-issue. can't unring that bell, the damage is done and the surveillance occurred.

I'm asking if you are cool with the government excluding exculpatory evidence and relying on unverified information that was paid opposition research (oh and they omitted that fact) - assuming all these allegations are true? All to get authority to spy on a US citizen?
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None of what you just said is proven outside of a Sean Hannity segment.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
None of what you just said is proven outside of a Sean Hannity segment.
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That's exactly why I said we'll see when we look at the application.

We do know that McCabe testified not only was the dossier used but in his assessment the warrant would not be granted without it.

We also know they did not alert the FISA court that the dossier was funded by the DNC and Clinton campaign.
 
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Stew Cook said:
The same case can be made for those whose suspicions run too deep about the Deep State, or the Department of Justice.

Most people have faith in our system of Justice, Trump is breaking with the traditions of his office and ordering these declassifications, because of transparency? I don't buy it.. He wants to know what they know, so he can fire up his Twitter and distort details to suit his narrative.

But sure, even if his own appointees object, he can do it..

I'm not saying he is doing wrong by our nation. He is actually setting the standard of what a President shouldn't be.
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No not really. People can choose to ignore the deep state if they like. But if you dont believe something like that exists, then you just are willingly ignoring it. Oh its a conspiracy theory. Yeah so was MK ULTRA and the thought that the government was spying on us. How did that turn out? Funny how liberals bash conservatives claiming they should be more open minded. Yet even considering that our government is really being run behind the scenes by individuals with tons of money is thought of as insane. Maybe you should take the red pill every now and then and escape the matrix.

The DOJ and FBI have proven themselves to be complete jokes. They have consistently bumbled over themselves and have turned actual justice into a sham. Its supposed to be equal justice for all. But its not even close to that. You say most have faith in our justice system? I highly doubt it. Eslecially when our justice system imposes ridiculous prison sentences .for minor drug offenses. Ask the black community or extremely poor white communities if they have faith in the justice system. I would bet the answers would surprise you.

What a president should be? Give me a break. What should a president be? An upstanding individual with morals and a want to put the countrys best interests at heart right? Yeah like we have had that in forever. The only difference between Trump and other presidents is his lies are much more public. Our oval office is not a place that should be respected or thought of in high regard. Its a cesspool where men and women of power get together to push their own agendas. We work for them.
 
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volfanhill said:
Anyone who is honest with themselves will admit they know Trump is shady as hell.
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He's absolutely shady as hell. So is every politician in Washington. Are we going to investigate all of them as well? Appoint SCs and give them carte blanche to dig into every facet of their life looking for dirt to use against them?

I'm assuming ranking Dems have read the documents in question. If they feel parts that would help their cause have been kept classified, I'm sure we'll hear about it. They have zero problem expressing their outrage over any flavor of the week topic.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
You can craft "truth" with selective pieces of the puzzle, while ignoring anything that threatens that "truth" you are trying to create.
Trump is doing exactly this imo. He and his administration can never be trusted. They have shown themselves to be pathological liars at every opportunity. Only outside investigation can get to the root of all this. And Mueller will in due time.
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Every politician crafts the "truth" they want out there. It doesn't matter if they're Republican or Democrat. The difference is the sheep follow their party then bleat when the other side contradicts what they want to believe. When you accept what your side does as okay then condemn the other for similar tactics you loose all credibility in an argument. If it's wrong, then it's wrong no matter who does it. Most of the liberals on this board have gotten so caught up in their Trump hate they're willing to overlook the tactics being used to try and bring him down. Yes, he's an obnoxious *******, but that doesn't make it okay to trample the Constitution in an attempt to unseat him.
 
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