Kavanaugh Confirmation

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The FBI is not who would have investigated this allegation at the time, when she started talking about it in 2012 or now. It is not their jurisdiction.
 
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UT_VOLS13 said:
I will not say that! When things seem fishy and smell like ****, they usually are.
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I'll agree the Feinstein move was purely partisan. Nobody can argue against that. No matter how much mental gymnastics they try, the simple fact remains she sat on this report for nearly six weeks and then turned it over to the FBI, very publicly mind you, without additional information for them to go on.

Partisan as ****. Anyone want to argue? No? Good. And before @lawgator1 tosses in the "rock and a hard place" talking point, had Feinstein brought it to the Committee back in August without any names, dates or anything she "redacted for privacy" the whole thing would have been seen as a delaying tactic. And for a valid reason as those kinds of letters could be written by any kook living in Mom's basement with nothing better to do with their time.

Now? We have a face and a name. And her side of the story. As for her side of the story, more than a few victims don't recall each and every detail of what happened. But they sure as hell remember it happened. And, again, different age back then where such things even if they were reported to the police would be laughed off. Or end in a extremely minor slap on the wrist for the aggressor.

And yes, more than a few of those being sexually assaulted "fear" for their lives even if they aren't realistically in any danger. It's a ingrained primordial response of being violated against one's will. The worst thoughts ever play out in one's head. They don't know that for certain, but that's the fear one possesses when these things happen.

Now the proverbial cat is out of the bag, there does need to be a law enforcement inquiry done into this, even 35 years later. We are far beyond the statute of criminal limitations on this according to several sources, but the inquiry needs to be done. Regardless, the simple fact remains, it's an allegation that must be looked into before the confirmation continues.
 
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I wonder what James Madison, George Washington, or any of our founding fathers would think of this charade.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Mitch won’t forget. If Ginsburg or Breyer die in ‘20, he’ll say screw the “McConnell rule” 100% bring the nomination to the floor for a vote.
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K. was the best choice for Dems on Trump's list. They were betting they'd get the Senate to force someone from off the list. If K. goes down the replacement will be worse.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'll agree the Feinstein move was purely partisan. Nobody can argue against that. No matter how much mental gymnastics they try, the simple fact remains she sat on this report for nearly six weeks and then turned it over to the FBI, very publicly mind you, without additional information for them to go on.

Partisan as ****. Anyone want to argue? No? Good. And before @lawgator1 tosses in the "rock and a hard place" talking point, had Feinstein brought it to the Committee back in August without any names, dates or anything she "redacted for privacy" the whole thing would have been seen as a delaying tactic. And for a valid reason as those kinds of letters could be written by any kook living in Mom's basement with nothing better to do with their time.

Now? We have a face and a name. And her side of the story. As for her side of the story, more than a few victims don't recall each and every detail of what happened. But they sure as hell remember it happened. And, again, different age back then where such things even if they were reported to the police would be laughed off. Or end in a extremely minor slap on the wrist for the aggressor.

And yes, more than a few of those being sexually assaulted "fear" for their lives even if they aren't realistically in any danger. It's a ingrained primordial response of being violated against one's will. The worst thoughts ever play out in one's head. They don't know that for certain, but that's the fear one possesses when these things happen.

Now the proverbial cat is out of the bag, there does need to be a law enforcement inquiry done into this, even 35 years later. We are far beyond the statute of criminal limitations on this according to several sources, but the inquiry needs to be done. Regardless, the simple fact remains, it's an allegation that must be looked into before the confirmation continues.
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Dude, this is just a tactic from the POS and trashy liberals! I thought you of all people could see through this.
 
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UT_VOLS13 said:
Dude, this is just a tactic from the POS and trashy liberals! I thought you of all people could see through this.
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He acknowledged it was a BS tactic but he's right that now that it is out there's no reasonable way to force this through. The damage has been done.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Trump should have appointed Amy Coney Barrett.

TBQF, Trump should have done his due diligence regarding this allegation against K in 2012 and taken that into consideration during the selection process. .
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On the first point - there's some question if Collins and others would vote for ACB.

On the second, there was no due diligence to do. There was no allegation in 2012. This came out of nowhere.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Now the proverbial cat is out of the bag, there does need to be a law enforcement inquiry done into this, even 35 years later. We are far beyond the statute of criminal limitations on this according to several sources, but the inquiry needs to be done. Regardless, the simple fact remains, it's an allegation that must be looked into before the confirmation continues.
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Here, we disagree. Accepting the fact, and it is fact, that this is little more than a delaying tactic by liberal Dems...we are left with the question "what's to investigate?" It's here that your argument falls short.

So at some point in the (early) 1980's, a bunch of teens, some of them liquored up, are at a party at a house where no adults are present, and a girl finds herself in a position where are couple (or four) young horny lads allegedly (remember that word) try to take their liberties with her. No excuse for it, but this is not exactly a unique or rarely-occuring event.

You ever try to get to third base and get your hand slapped? Me too. Should I go ahead and get an attorney?

If it happened, and it's her word against the rest of those who were (allegedly, again) there, it was wrong. Criminal? Perhaps now, but not back then, and at this point it's beyond the reach of the criminal justice system, if it ever needed to be there to begin with. No, I'm sorry, GV...this unfolding story just does not pass the smell test.

I'm not saying it didn't happen as the accuser alleges. I'm also not saying it did. It would appear that the first word of this came out back in 2012. Six years ago. Why wait until now to pursue it? Once the horse was out of the barn, why not deal with it then? Was it because JK was only on a U.S. Circuit Court? Who decided to sit on it just in case they needed it later?

Because someone clearly did just that. But who? The accuser? The Dem machine? DiFi? Answer that, and now you know the "why" of it all.

FYI, there is a female in my immediate family who was sexually assaulted...let's just say "date raped"...when she was young. Very young. She never told anyone until years later. It was another year or two before I found out. The statute of limitations has passed. If it were not against the law, I would find him...and he would answer for what he did. So don't think I'm making light of the accuser, or the accusation. I'm not.

But the timeline here suggests to anyone with an independent mind that there is more in play here than the pursuit of justice. Which is par for the course where politics is concerned.

If this was going to be an issue, it should have been an issue 6 years ago when it came to light.

Time to vote.
 
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