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I think Hubbs is probably more connected/knowledgeable, but here’s what Rutherford said yesterday. Complete opposite of Hubbs.

“After some early camp struggles, it looks like Keller Chryst has settled in a little bit at quarterback. He wasn’t lighting it up during the open portion of today’s practice, but he’s looked more consistent the last couple practices after a somewhat rough start to camp. He and Guarantano are more even now than when they started, at least from what we’ve gotten to see”
 
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volfanngatorland said:
I think Hubbs is probably more connected/knowledgeable, but here’s what Rutherford said yesterday. Complete opposite of Hubbs.

“After some early camp struggles, it looks like Keller Chryst has settled in a little bit at quarterback. He wasn’t lighting it up during the open portion of today’s practice, but he’s looked more consistent the last couple practices after a somewhat rough start to camp. He and Guarantano are more even now than when they started, at least from what we’ve gotten to see”
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That was also based off a routes on air session.

FTR, I’m a member of the “take all camp reports with a grain of salt” camp. But I’ve also never been too impressed with Rutherford’s or RTI’s reporting. Their positional previews were filled with errors like listing guys in wrong positions.

VQ is usually much more reliable. They’re still not infallible by any means though.
 
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govols717 said:
Good read here: — Athletes For God - it's essentially Lane Kiffin's testimony. Talks about his time at UT and more. Pretty cool stuff.
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I was not a fan of Kiffin when he was here and held a grudge/rooted against him for a long while. That said, I actually do feel like he has changed (even before I read this).. Whether he has or not, Nick made a good point. Who are we to judge?
 
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Vols4us said:
Skepticism can be useful and it can also lead astray to the point of only believing in what one knows of the natural world around us. Even in that state it is not our role to judge another's experiences as genuine or self serving. His/her actions will reveal the motives in time. I choose to believe Lane Kiffin is maturing into the man after God's own heart. He just started down that path and he is human. Changes occur over time as faith grows. I will never know all that he may or may not be doing to deliver a message of hope to others since I am not there with him. I will just continue to pray that it is real and effective in helping others as he states.
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Virtually every aspect of Kiffin's life, personal and professional, has been judged on this board in the last 8-9 years. Now, maybe you were an exception in that regard, but for a bunch of people to now play the thou-shall-not-judge card because religion is in the equation is pretty hypocritical.

Whoops, seems like I might be getting a little judge-y myself.
 
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"... it was quite clear who the top quarterback on the field was Sunday. Jarrett Guarantano threw strikes in both pass-skeleton work, 7-on-7 and 11-on-11. Compared to a year ago, JG was much better with his footwork and decision-making. He didn’t hold onto the ball for forever and he routinely found his check-downs quickly. He had one really poor throw (was baited by Alontae Taylor) but he responded with a bomb on his very next attempt. That’s growth. He didn’t his head after a poor pass. He got right back in the huddle and made a play." -- Simonton


Sorry, wasn’t Brent.

Last thing I can find from Hubbs on QB’s was in response to “biggest surprises from this weekend”

I thought Bryce Thompson looked natural at corner. He will help this team this fall on defense.

Kongbo looked better than I expected in open space.

JG looked really solid. Chryst struggles were a surprise to me.

I like Cedric Tillman, but overall the receivers seem to be off to a slow start this pre-season. I didn't think Saturday was good in limited viewing and I didn't think Sunday was good enough.

I don't know that Jacob Warren helps this fall, but if he can add the needed weight, he will help this program.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
I just posted a tweet in the Beasley thread that states AB gained about 20lbs this offseason and is sitting at 220lbs. Sounds like we got our requisite "big back."

Banks and Beasley are going to be wearing people down the next several years.
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I'm hoping UT has their Steve Atwater/Enforcer, knock your head off (see:Christian Okoye) safety. But, either way, I'm happy, absolutely love Beasley anywhere on the field. Straight-up, old school football player
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
As far as I’m concerned, God can sort out Lane’s repentance or hypocrisy Himself. I don’t judge it one way or the other.
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Of course there’s always that thing about testing the spirits to see if they are from God.

Maybe surprisingly, I may have thought more highly of Lane before I read the article than afterwards. I think he’s obviously a brilliant offensive mind. On a personal level I didn’t have a problem with him being shall we say immature?

When I read the article I was disturbed by the way he dealt with his exit from Tennessee. Supposedly the words that sparked his self-examination were, “It’s not about you.” His defense of leaving Tennessee amidst an environment created by his unconscionable betrayal of a fanbase that he wooed for a year and who bought into his shtick was essentially “but it was my dream job. People leave jobs every day.”

Okay, I can accept that from the old Lane; I can’t accept that from someone who wants me to believe he has rediscovered his soul. What he did in my opinion would be unconscionable for a good person to do. As long as he’s a bad boy, I’m okay with it. Honestly I wasn’t bothered. But if you’re going to change your stripes and desert those of us remaining on the dark side then you need to recognize and apologize for your former behavior in a specific way, not brush it off as if it was okay. It is and was okay if and only if you remain true to the dark side. Jmo.

I don’t mind saying this. I’m cynical. It’s one of the greater gifts of the dark side. I suspect he at least had help writing that article and I also suspect it’s part of an effort to rehabilitate his image with “good” people in anticipation of a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract at a major power 5 school come December.

If he had only acknowledge and apologized for what he did at Tennessee I wouldn’t be so cynical. His failure and seemingly refusal to do that does not inspire my confidence in his genuineness. That leaves him stuck somewhere in the middle between the dark side and the good side. I don't trust people like that. That’s just me.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
I think Hubbs is probably more connected/knowledgeable, but here’s what Rutherford said yesterday. Complete opposite of Hubbs.

“After some early camp struggles, it looks like Keller Chryst has settled in a little bit at quarterback. He wasn’t lighting it up during the open portion of today’s practice, but he’s looked more consistent the last couple practices after a somewhat rough start to camp. He and Guarantano are more even now than when they started, at least from what we’ve gotten to see”
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I read that as well and thought it was interesting. Watching the open practice on Sunday Jarrett seems to have really taken control of the position. I think Rutherford is 1. trying to give a different opinion than Hubbs and 2. Not in the know as much as Hubbs and co are.

Again we still have a long way to go till 9/1 but would imagine one guy taking control of the position and stepping into the leadership role the QB has to assume will be good for our offense.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Of course there’s always that thing about testing the spirits to see if they are from God.

Maybe surprisingly, I may have thought more highly of Lane before I read the article than afterwards. I think he’s obviously a brilliant offensive mind. On a personal level I didn’t have a problem with him being shall we say immature?

When I read the article I was disturbed by the way he dealt with his exit from Tennessee. Supposedly the words that sparked his self-examination were, “It’s not about you.” His defense of leaving Tennessee amidst an environment created by his unconscionable betrayal of a fanbase that he wooed for a year and who bought into his shtick was essentially “but it was my dream job. People leave jobs every day.”

Okay, I can accept that from the old Lane; I can’t accept that from someone who wants me to believe he has rediscovered his soul. What he did in my opinion would be unconscionable for a good person to do. As long as he’s a bad boy, I’m okay with it. Honestly I wasn’t bothered. But if you’re going to change your stripes and desert those of us remaining on the dark side then you need to recognize and apologize for your former behavior in a specific way, not brush it off as if it was okay. It is and was okay if and only if you remain true to the dark side. Jmo.

I don’t mind saying this. I’m cynical. It’s one of the greater gifts of the dark side. I suspect he at least had help writing that article and I also suspect it’s part of an effort to rehabilitate his image with “good” people in anticipation of a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract at a major power 5 school come December.

If he had only acknowledge and apologized for what he did at Tennessee I wouldn’t be so cynical. His failure and seemingly refusal to do that does not inspire my confidence in his genuineness. That leaves him stuck somewhere in the middle between the dark side and the good side. I don't trust people like that. That’s just me.
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I never thought I'd defend Lane Kiffin, but I felt that he was saying this was his mindset after he took the USC job. It was like: "People change jobs every day,-well I'm glad they are upset instead of celebrating". He also said that he was humbled afterwards. I feel like he has been apologizing to us in his own way for a while now. That is why I felt he had changed (Edit: matured) even before I read that article.
 
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HankHill said:
Fits with what I’ve heard too.
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I have not been able to follow a lot of the pictures from practices and things like that but one thing I was wanting to see was that we were not a small team like we looked like the past few years. It may be hard to tell still yet without pads on but do we look any bigger? We’ve looked like a Kentucky or Vandy the last few years
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
That’s very naive. Ever heard of Robert Tilton or Jesse Duplantis?


Skepticism can be justified. Especially with someone like Kiffin.
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What has kiffin done? You’re acting like he’s some violent criminal. He was immature when elevated to superstar status as a young coach. He’s learned from it and is doubt better.
 
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jordan4vols said:
I have not been able to follow a lot of the pictures from practices and things like that but one thing I was wanting to see was that we were not a small team like we looked like the past few years. It may be hard to tell still yet without pads on but do we look any bigger? We’ve looked like a Kentucky or Vandy the last few years
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We do. Especially adding some of the new comers. Jamir Johnson has been a bit of a let down imo.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Of course there’s always that thing about testing the spirits to see if they are from God.

Maybe surprisingly, I may have thought more highly of Lane before I read the article than afterwards. I think he’s obviously a brilliant offensive mind. On a personal level I didn’t have a problem with him being shall we say immature?

When I read the article I was disturbed by the way he dealt with his exit from Tennessee. Supposedly the words that sparked his self-examination were, “It’s not about you.” His defense of leaving Tennessee amidst an environment created by his unconscionable betrayal of a fanbase that he wooed for a year and who bought into his shtick was essentially “but it was my dream job. People leave jobs every day.”

Okay, I can accept that from the old Lane; I can’t accept that from someone who wants me to believe he has rediscovered his soul. What he did in my opinion would be unconscionable for a good person to do. As long as he’s a bad boy, I’m okay with it. Honestly I wasn’t bothered. But if you’re going to change your stripes and desert those of us remaining on the dark side then you need to recognize and apologize for your former behavior in a specific way, not brush it off as if it was okay. It is and was okay if and only if you remain true to the dark side. Jmo.

I don’t mind saying this. I’m cynical. It’s one of the greater gifts of the dark side. I suspect he at least had help writing that article and I also suspect it’s part of an effort to rehabilitate his image with “good” people in anticipation of a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract at a major power 5 school come December.

If he had only acknowledge and apologized for what he did at Tennessee I wouldn’t be so cynical. His failure and seemingly refusal to do that does not inspire my confidence in his genuineness. That leaves him stuck somewhere in the middle between the dark side and the good side. I don't trust people like that. That’s just me.
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Maybe I'm in the minority, but after getting over my emotional hatred of Kiffin leaving - in hindsight - I don't see what he did as some evil thing.

He's 34 years old, gets offered his dream job from a former employer, and takes it before someone else could. As a fan, it sucks. But I don't know that he is wrong in thinking that people change jobs every day, and being a coach is simply that. The fact fans are emotionally involved is somewhat irrelevant.

I have no doubt he could have announced it differently, and he probably would if he could do it again - but that's not why people were pissed. People were pissed because he was great, exciting, and he left us after one year right before signing day.
 
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