We should have listened to Dooley

[Pruitt Will Do It]

Derek Dooley was hired for no other reason than who his father was. That’s how stupid the athletics department was during his tenure. He showed no legitimate coaching skills during his time at La tech, and that should of been all we needed to know to not hire him. The fact that Derek Dooley needs to say this now shows how incapable he is of being a good coach. I have no clue why barry Odom thought it would be smart to bring this guy in to his program, he is a cancer in its deadliest form, and Mizzou will soon find this out. The guy is such a control freak that he told drew lock not to take anything off of the sandwiches he was eating for meals. Dooley told him the nutritional staff puts all these things on this sandwich because that’s what your body needs, he also told him he needs to eat it that way instead of taking
Off the items he doesn’t like. That is the f****** definition of a micro manager! My sister worked with the UT staff during dooleys time, she told me dooley threw a fit
When he got there because he didn’t like his office and where it was at. He then preceded to make UT build him a new office with a view of Neyland stadium out of the corner window: and then even after they built it he still complained cause he didn’t like size of the room. The guy is a gutless weasel and I really dislike him for staying in a profession he has no business being in!!

Missouri Coach Barry ScrOdom will regret hiring Derek Dumbass for his football staff. He's on the hotseat at Missouri and this wont help.

 

[Pepe]

The biggest mistake Dave Hart made was not firing him and paying his buyout after the 2011 Kentucky game when he was begging to be fired.

There should be a clause in every contract for a football coach that if you'd lose to Kentucky or Vanderbilt, that is grounds for firing with cause.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Missouri Coach Barry ScrOdom will regret hiring Derek Dumbass for his football staff. He's on the hotseat at Missouri and this wont help.

That was a very strange hire. Missouri's offense was pretty good last year (although they did pad the stats by running up the score a few times) and they are turning that over to a guy who has never had play calling duties before? ... and what does Dooley bring to the table? He was a terrible recruiter and wasn't respected by his players.

 

[Pruitt Will Do It]

That was a very strange hire. Missouri's offense was pretty good last year (although they did pad the stats by running up the score a few times) and they are turning that over to a guy who has never had play calling duties before? ... and what does Dooley bring to the table? He was a terrible recruiter and wasn't respected by his players.

The thing that will keep Missouri from having a winning season and getting a bottom tier Bowl Game is a really poor defense. I think Barry ScrOdom gets canned when Missouri goes 5-7 this season.

 

[stevenrich2003]

The problem is everybody listened to DOOLES.

I remember this post from years ago. Whoever put that together gave me a huge laugh.

 

[Pruitt Will Do It]

This was the shape that Derek Dumbass' piss poor recruiting left the Tennessee football program in

 

[Ten_Titans]

Dooley is prince of the good Ole Boys club and I'm guessing that has something to do with why he keeps getting hired.

Based on his resume he should have started selling insurance already like 5 years ago.

 

[Pruitt Will Do It]

Dooley is prince of the good Ole Boys club and I'm guessing that has something to do with why he keeps getting hired.

Based on his resume he should have started selling insurance already like 5 years ago.

He should have become a lawyer since he's got a law degree from Virginia

 

[sjt18]

A lot of this is true but he left an OL with 4/5 starters in their last year of eligibility and hadn’t signed one in his last recruiting class. He left Jones some players but team speed was pathetic to the point that Palardy ran the fastest time in that first pro day. And Kiffin left Dooley Simms and Bray (Kiffin, not Dooley landed both)...who both made NFL rosters. Dooley bequeathed Jones...Worley. Hard working, dedicated, good soldier, injury prone...Worley. Jones flipped that roster to the point that we were UNDERachieving in two seasons...no small feat. Jones failed...Dooley made it an art form.

Both failed. I think we can quibble over the whys quite a bit. To me, it became increasingly obvious during Jones' tenure that the highest level he reached as a non-coach was towel boy for the Bucs (maybe exaggerated just a tad...). You and I disagreed over him. I never bought his schtick. I wanted to believe... I just kept seeing him morph into a used car dealer in a plaid coat rather than an SEC coach.

If you could coach by cliché.... he is a champion of life.

 

[Pruitt Will Do It]

Both failed. I think we can quibble over the whys quite a bit. To me, it became increasingly obvious during Jones' tenure that the highest level he reached as a non-coach was towel boy for the Bucs (maybe exaggerated just a tad...). You and I disagreed over him. I never bought his schtick. I wanted to believe... I just kept seeing him morph into a used car dealer in a plaid coat rather than an SEC coach.

If you could coach by cliché.... he is a champion of life.

Inches make the Champion if you're in the Porn Business

 

[sjt18]

Derek Dooley was hired for no other reason than who his father was. That’s how stupid the athletics department was during his tenure. He showed no legitimate coaching skills during his time at La tech, and that should of been all we needed to know to not hire him. The fact that Derek Dooley needs to say this now shows how incapable he is of being a good coach. I have no clue why barry Odom thought it would be smart to bring this guy in to his program, he is a cancer in its deadliest form, and Mizzou will soon find this out. The guy is such a control freak that he told drew lock not to take anything off of the sandwiches he was eating for meals. Dooley told him the nutritional staff puts all these things on this sandwich because that’s what your body needs, he also told him he needs to eat it that way instead of taking
Off the items he doesn’t like. That is the f****** definition of a micro manager! My sister worked with the UT staff during dooleys time, she told me dooley threw a fit
When he got there because he didn’t like his office and where it was at. He then preceded to make UT build him a new office with a view of Neyland stadium out of the corner window: and then even after they built it he still complained cause he didn’t like size of the room. The guy is a gutless weasel and I really dislike him for staying in a profession he has no business being in!!

You do know that Saban, Jones, and a lot of other coaches display similar tendencies, right? Jones was absolutely anal about "nutrition" control.

He didn't get then keep a job on an NFL staff in spite of being incompetent. Someone whose job depended on the people working for them being good at their jobs... thought he was making a contribution. Maybe they're wrong and you know more than they do?

Needless to say, Dooley failed at UT. Like a divorce... there's almost always blame to go around when a coach fails. The infighting he points to in that interview.... was talked about here. There was division and feuding. He was NOT the guy to rally everyone.... but when there are sides... sometimes you have to pick one. Sometimes you pick the wrong one and sometimes there is no right one.

I didn't understand the Dooley hire at Mizzou either. But Odom is literally staking his job on Dooley. The Mizzou AD is as well. They LOVE Odom and don't want him to fail.

 

[sjt18]

The guy is such a control freak that he told drew lock not to take anything off of the sandwiches he was eating for meals. Dooley told him the nutritional staff puts all these things on this sandwich because that’s what your body needs, he also told him he needs to eat it that way instead of taking
Off the items he doesn’t like. That is the f****** definition of a micro manager!

Jones even tried to micromanage players' sleep. You should watch the video just posted too. Jones micromanaged... and focused on things that didn't impact on the field performance.

 

[Pruitt Will Do It]

Jones even tried to micromanage players' sleep. You should watch the video just posted too. Jones micromanaged... and focused on things that didn't impact on the field performance.

Botch Jones was a good example of an Obsessive-Compulsive person

 

[stevenrich2003]

True ... and for all the valid criticism of Jones for choking away the Oklahoma and Florida games in 2015 and then Florida again last year... have you ever seen a team look as confused as we did at the end of the LSU game in 2010? That was awful coaching.

Granted, arguing over Dooley and Jones is like arguing over what's worse, changing a diaper or cleaning up vomit but still, one is definitely worse than the other.

I was at the LSU game in 2010... it was a sad day.

 

[Pruitt Will Do It]

I was at the LSU game in 2010... it was a sad day.

That was extremely humiliating

 

[MWAVolfan]

Both failed. I think we can quibble over the whys quite a bit. To me, it became increasingly obvious during Jones' tenure that the highest level he reached as a non-coach was towel boy for the Bucs (maybe exaggerated just a tad...). You and I disagreed over him. I never bought his schtick. I wanted to believe... I just kept seeing him morph into a used car dealer in a plaid coat rather than an SEC coach.

If you could coach by cliché.... he is a champion of life.

I actually bought into Dooley at first given his pedigree and it took a bit for me to realize UT had hired a 5 year old with a coloring book to coach one of the biggest football programs in the SEC. I was actually at the game where he beat Botch Jone's Cinci team. It clearly turned downhill fast though.

However, I saw Butch Jones as a fraud from day 1. Even as he was recruiting well I said "wait until he coaches an actual game". You can recruit if you're a good carnival barker, at least until your track record on the field catches up to you and those recruits you got start to turn on you because they were "sold a bill of goods". I knew the whole time the guy was not up front and I loudly and proudly proclaimed it for years.

 

[05_never_again]

Dooley was set up to fail from the very beginning. If Pete Carroll doesn't leave USC when he did, Dooley is probably still at Louisiana Tech or some college assistant job and nobody would even know who he was. Hell, maybe he's even back practicing law somewhere.

He was hired purely because Tennessee was in a very compromised position when Kiffin bailed. The program was already in rough shape, and Kiffin left in January after all the open head coaching positions had been filled. In the interview he did with Clay Travis, Dooley even admitted he was stunned when Tennessee called, and expressed some astonishment at how it all went down. I believe he said he flew to Atlanta and met Mike Hamilton, who basically offered him the job right then and there. He had been in some meetings at Louisiana Tech earlier in the day and had trouble even fathoming what was going on.

I have no doubt Dooley had the best-looking resume out of everyone they considered; I guarantee you he was the only guy who had head coaching experience + worked for Saban + had a good family name. That's how bad of a position we were in. If Dooley was not hired, some MAC or Sun Belt coordinator would have been hired instead, who likely would have done just as bad.

 

[05_never_again]

However, I saw Butch Jones as a fraud from day 1. Even as he was recruiting well I said "wait until he coaches an actual game". You can recruit if you're a good carnival barker, at least until your track record on the field catches up to you and those recruits you got start to turn on you because they were "sold a bill of goods". I knew the whole time the guy was not up front and I loudly and proudly proclaimed it for years.

You sure there's no hindsight bias there? I think any fair-minded person would say that Butch actually did an adequate at worst job from 2013-15. He wasn't making enormous strides like some expected, but he did improve the roster and had gotten the program competitive again, which it had not been in about 7-8 years.

Potential flaws in his coaching chops appeared in 2015, became obvious in 2016, and the bottom totally fell out in 2017.

 

[wmcovol]

spoken like the little spoiled privileged brat he is.

Facts are Dooley was told by Dallas to find something else. He did. Everything he's touched ends up screwed up.

Trying to pick who was the better football coach between Dooley and Jones is like picking your dinner guest between Whoopi and Rose ODonnell. Both are disasters

 

[TrueVolsGBOInsider]

Jones even tried to micromanage players' sleep. You should watch the video just posted too. Jones micromanaged... and focused on things that didn't impact on the field performance.

Jones definitely tried to do too much as well, not saying he didnt. And your right, a lot of coaches harp on nutrition. The difference is their head coaches and Dooley is an assistant. It was just me giving an example of Dooley taking things too far. As far as his time in Dallas, Just look at Cole beasleys statements from a few months back and that tells you he wasn’t qualified to be there imo. His name gets him more than we will ever know!

 

[MWAVolfan]

You sure there's no hindsight bias there? I think any fair-minded person would say that Butch actually did an adequate at worst job from 2013-15. He wasn't making enormous strides like some expected, but he did improve the roster and had gotten the program competitive again, which it had not been in about 7-8 years.

Potential flaws in his coaching chops appeared in 2015, became obvious in 2016, and the bottom totally fell out in 2017.

No hindsight bias. My posting history would back me up if you could see all of it.
The best thing I ever said about Jones was something along the lines of "Don't call this guy a good coach until you see him actually coach. I dont care how well recruiting is going". I never discounted his recruiting but you could tell how bad a coach he was even in 2013. I realize what he had to work with, but you could still see the problems were much bigger than just being left with poor players.

Every time he would say something like "remember half this team has never played Florida on a tuesday with a temp of 87 degrees" or some other excuse about why he was going to lose the game. He showed a lack of charachter right from the beginning.

 

[Denton'sGhostGBO]

I new Dooley was a wash when we lost to UNC at the bowl game. Although I had a reason to hope, I couldn't. I just had this awful feeling that it was over and we really were bad. I tried to get excited at times, but as with Jones, I knew afyet the Oklahoma game that we would never recover ... And we didn't.

 

[Pruitt Will Do It]

I new Dooley was a wash when we lost to UNC at the bowl game. Although I had a reason to hope, I couldn't. I just had this awful feeling that it was over and we really were bad. I tried to get excited at times, but as with Jones, I knew afyet the Oklahoma game that we would never recover ... And we didn't.

At least the 2015 team finished in the Top 25.........................................just sayin'

 

[05_never_again]

No hindsight bias. My posting history would back me up if you could see all of it.
The best thing I ever said about Jones was something along the lines of "Don't call this guy a good coach until you see him actually coach. I dont care how well recruiting is going". I never discounted his recruiting but you could tell how bad a coach he was even in 2013. I realize what he had to work with, but you could still see the problems were much bigger than just being left with poor players.

Every time he would say something like "remember half this team has never played Florida on a tuesday with a temp of 87 degrees" or some other excuse about why he was going to lose the game. He showed a lack of charachter right from the beginning.

LOL - the excuses were OK at the very beginning but of course they got old. I think he was really insecure (he should have been) in 2016 and 2017. We all love Pruitt now but I guarantee he makes some in response to early losses. You couldn't tell how bad of a coach Butch was in 2013, come on now. He took a 5-7 (2-6) team from the previous year and went 5-7 (2-6). There was improvement in 2014, and by 2015 he had us looking like we were "almost" a good team. That was a pretty good performance after 3 seasons, and he really had improved the roster. 2016 was his time to make a move, especially considering how weak the East was.

I gave up on Butch after the South Carolina game in 2016. There were some cracks in his facade that had emerged before that, but it was after that game I became convinced that he wasn't a great coach. Not that he should be fired at that point, just that he probably wasn't going to get us where we wanted to go.

 

[MWAVolfan]

LOL - the excuses were OK at the very beginning but of course they got old. I think he was really insecure (he should have been) in 2016 and 2017. We all love Pruitt now but I guarantee he makes some in response to early losses. You couldn't tell how bad of a coach Butch was in 2013, come on now. He took a 5-7 (2-6) team from the previous year and went 5-7 (2-6). There was improvement in 2014, and by 2015 he had us looking like we were "almost" a good team. That was a pretty good performance after 3 seasons, and he really had improved the roster. 2016 was his time to make a move, especially considering how weak the East was.

I gave up on Butch after the South Carolina game in 2016. There were some cracks in his facade that had emerged before that, but it was after that game I became convinced that he wasn't a great coach. Not that he should be fired at that point, just that he probably wasn't going to get us where we wanted to go.

I never accepted (and still dont accept) that if you are a great head coach that it would take YEARS to turn around a program like UT and that's all Jones ever wanted to talk about. Jones always seemed to be looking for the next excuse, the next reason to keep your expectations low. It was always about "the next recruting class", "brick by brick", etc. He always used the players as his excuse and he knew there would come a day when he couldnt hide behind those excuses and he'd be seen as a fraudster. He never once owned his problems EVER and I always got the impression that this guy's schtick was "how many years can I fool them and get paid the big $$$ before they realize I'm a total fraud". I think that's half the reason he talked up such a big game and got that hype train rolling. He wanted as much runway as possible before the plane crashed at the end of it.

People can jump on Hurd for quitting when he did, but if my entire athletic career is on the line, there's no way I'm risking a thing knowing Jones was my coach. That was just the most outward sign of an always failing program. Than and the whole "fell on a helmet" B.S.

Jones was NEVER a good coach. He was a great hype man. Little dog with a big bark. He had a number of years in which he knew he could pretend before he could no longer get away with it.