We should have listened to Dooley

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jpope9 said:
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BowlBrother85 said:
True ... and for all the valid criticism of Jones for choking away the Oklahoma and Florida games in 2015 and then Florida again last year... have you ever seen a team look as confused as we did at the end of the LSU game in 2010? That was awful coaching.

Granted, arguing over Dooley and Jones is like arguing over what's worse, changing a diaper or cleaning up vomit but still, one is definitely worse than the other.
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Rather change a diaper
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
By no means is this a defense of Jones, but I don't see how you can say this. Jones recruited significantly better than Dooley did. Jones did win some games of actual consequence while at UT (South Carolina '13, Georgia '15 and '16, Florida '16). Dooley never won anything of consequence at UT. Jones won 3 bowl games. Dooley only even made 1 bowl game.
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I was talking purely as a coach of football. Even with his problems, Jones negotiated the political part of the job much better than Dooley. He had more energy and success in recruiting.

Dooley inherited a mess... So did Jones.
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I know that was a popular thing to say but IMO it isn't true. Dooley didn't recruit well at all and had pretty much quit by the end of his 2nd year. But he left Jones an NFL quality OL. There were some depth and talent holes but was also AJ, Maggitt, and a few others that were decent players. If you go back and look at what Dooley inherited from Kiffin… it wasn't good. There were no QB's.... none. Dooley iirc got Sims to come in and then replaced him with Bray a Fr in mid-season. Tauren Poole was basically the only RB left.

Neither guy inherited a good situation. Neither guy inherited a roster nearly as good as the one Pruitt inherits. But it has always been my opinion that Dooley had a much higher mountain to climb.
 
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Hunter's injury broke Dooley. He put all of his hopes in having a good year that year and using it for recruiting. Might not have worked... but he pretty much quit toward the end of that second season. There was a report that went around that he tried to get UT to terminate him before the 3rd year.
 
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sjt18 said:
Hunter's injury broke Dooley. He put all of his hopes in having a good year that year and using it for recruiting. Might not have worked... but he pretty much quit toward the end of that second season. There was a report that went around that he tried to get UT to terminate him before the 3rd year.
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well...I guess they didnt listen to him ;)
 
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Say what you want about Dooley, he laid a good off field foundation ... he was a good gap fill.. utad fault for the results
 
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shotgun83 said:
Say what you want about Dooley, he laid a good off field foundation ... he was a good gap fill.. utad fault for the results
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You must be talking about the VFL program or possibly his contributions to the design of the Anderson Training Center... but with that you also have to remember how much trouble the football team was collectively in, academically, at the end of Dooley's tenure. They were facing the possibility of NCAA sanctions as a result. Under Jones, they did recover. Tennessee's APR (Academic Progress Rate) is currently 972 (which is acceptable) ... when Dooley left in 2012, it was 924.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He talks about his time at Louisiana Tech as if it was a success. He was 17-20 in 3 seasons with a 12-12 record in the WAC. His best season was 8-5. His last two recruiting classes in '11 and '12 were a disaster. He didn't sign even one single offensive lineman in the class of '11. What does he mean nobody was listening to him? What did he ever say that was worth hearing? "Let's use 14 men on this goal line stand and see if we can get away with it?"
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LSU game, right? That should have gotten everyone's eyes open about Dooley being clueless
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
What went wrong? Well lets see. First off, we fured a HOF coach who went 152-52. Then we hired a loser who had never coached college football, then got in trouble. Then we hire an even bigger loser who was more concerned with shower etiquette than actual coaching. Finally we hired a pop warner coach who drove the program into a ditch. Oh and how could I forget that we have an administraton who literally does whatever one big booster says.

But its just as easy and accurate to say that what went wrong with Tennessee is Jimmy Haslam.
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Freak can you install a like x 100 button please
 
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I can just imagine Dooley when he coached here calling home every Sunday on the phone in between sobs... “And Mommy, I *sniff* *sniff* tried to tell him what to do, and he didn’t listen to meeeee!”

Then the article goes on to say coaching at UT humbled him. Call me crazy, but wouldn’t a humbling experience mean you accept at least some responsibility? If you accept your past failure as other people’s fault (i.e. they “weren’t listening to you”), then that is the furthest thing from a humbling experience. Furthermore, as someone who has been humbled many times over, I can attest that humbled people don’t say those things.

Maybe, just maybe, Coach, they didn’t listen to you because they thought you had no idea what you were talking about?

What a Whackjob!

I wish him the best at Missouri. 👍🏻
 
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sjt18 said:
Hunter's injury broke Dooley. He put all of his hopes in having a good year that year and using it for recruiting. Might not have worked... but he pretty much quit toward the end of that second season. There was a report that went around that he tried to get UT to terminate him before the 3rd year.
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If you are correct, pinning your hopes to the health and play of one wide receiver is a pretty thin margin for error. I think what really did Dooley in was simply his hubris and elitism. It caused problem in recruiting, with former players, and the team itself.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
What went wrong:

He was a lazy and sucky recruiter.

He didn't have enough quality coaches though he did have Wilcox for a while, Chaney, Pittman and Gillespie.

He didn't recruit speed and he didn't inherit a lot either.

He didn't motivate the team and adequately address the discipline problems. If he did, we would have never lost to Kentucky or that god awful blown lead verses Mizzou.
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You mean Jay Graham. And that was just for the last season. Dooley didn’t have a RB coach for the other two.
 
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sjt18 said:
I was talking purely as a coach of football. Even with his problems, Jones negotiated the political part of the job much better than Dooley. He had more energy and success in recruiting.


I know that was a popular thing to say but IMO it isn't true. Dooley didn't recruit well at all and had pretty much quit by the end of his 2nd year. But he left Jones an NFL quality OL. There were some depth and talent holes but was also AJ, Maggitt, and a few others that were decent players. If you go back and look at what Dooley inherited from Kiffin… it wasn't good. There were no QB's.... none. Dooley iirc got Sims to come in and then replaced him with Bray a Fr in mid-season. Tauren Poole was basically the only RB left.

Neither guy inherited a good situation. Neither guy inherited a roster nearly as good as the one Pruitt inherits. But it has always been my opinion that Dooley had a much higher mountain to climb.
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A lot of this is true but he left an OL with 4/5 starters in their last year of eligibility and hadn’t signed one in his last recruiting class. He left Jones some players but team speed was pathetic to the point that Palardy ran the fastest time in that first pro day. And Kiffin left Dooley Simms and Bray (Kiffin, not Dooley landed both)...who both made NFL rosters. Dooley bequeathed Jones...Worley. Hard working, dedicated, good soldier, injury prone...Worley. Jones flipped that roster to the point that we were UNDERachieving in two seasons...no small feat. Jones failed...Dooley made it an art form.
 
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Derek Dooley is the reason we had to hire a Butch Jones caliber coach. He is without a doubt the worst coach in the history of the program. Dooley left a mess, remember Jones wasn't our first choice.
 
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Derek Dooley was hired for no other reason than who his father was. That’s how stupid the athletics department was during his tenure. He showed no legitimate coaching skills during his time at La tech, and that should of been all we needed to know to not hire him. The fact that Derek Dooley needs to say this now shows how incapable he is of being a good coach. I have no clue why barry Odom thought it would be smart to bring this guy in to his program, he is a cancer in its deadliest form, and Mizzou will soon find this out. The guy is such a control freak that he told drew lock not to take anything off of the sandwiches he was eating for meals. Dooley told him the nutritional staff puts all these things on this sandwich because that’s what your body needs, he also told him he needs to eat it that way instead of taking
Off the items he doesn’t like. That is the f****** definition of a micro manager! My sister worked with the UT staff during dooleys time, she told me dooley threw a fit
When he got there because he didn’t like his office and where it was at. He then preceded to make UT build him a new office with a view of Neyland stadium out of the corner window: and then even after they built it he still complained cause he didn’t like size of the room. The guy is a gutless weasel and I really dislike him for staying in a profession he has no business being in!!
 
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