Very early observations on QB....

[butchna]

Thanks for educating them chizzle.

Btw, to butchna.....rutherford and siminton may not necessarily be biased. Maybe just stupid and incompetent.

There’s a strong possibility of anyone on an anonymous message board being stupid and off-base...specially those doling out labels.

 

[KBVol]

Did

I, personally, am a fan of playing the best player who provides the best opportunity to win. With that said, I was at Fan Day yesterday, I particularly watched the QBs. and came away with the following observations and opinions:

JQ: If you are a fan of a "gunslinger" then JG is your QB. When he threads the needle he looks good but when he tries to thread the needle in double/triple coverage he looks pathetic. In my opinion, he wants to rely too much on his strong arm than go through his progressions. Also, he still tends to throw behind the receiver. JQ kind of reminds me of Tyler Bray.

KC: If you are a fan of a "game manager" then KC is your QB. KC is quick to go through progressions and finding the open receiver. If each receiver is covered, he tucks the ball and runs. KC does not appear to be the type of QB who relies on arm strength to thread a needle but knowledge to find an open receiver. KC kind of reminds me of Peyton.

Personally, I think the biggest differences between JQ and KC is experience meaning KC will manage the game and produce positive yardage each play in a controlled manner versus trying to make a big play by throwing in tight coverage thus getting behind in down and distance which will cause having to throw in tight coverage again and again but when a pass is completed it should be for good yardage.

I am not a coach, but just a fan who wants to win, and I fully believe Coach Pruitt and Coach Helton will play the QB that gives the best opportunity to win.

Did you really just compare Keller Chryst, a career 55% completion guy in a conference that doesn’t play defense, while he played in the same backfield with perennial Heisman running backs, to Peyton Manning? Lol.

While comparing JG to knucklehead Tyler Bray, who’s best known at Tennessee for his beer bottle off the balcony tossing??

Lemme guess who you’re rooting for to start at QB vs WVa....hmmmm, who could it be??

 

[Evergrenevol]

64 harmony bobkat. Barn find at 60 bucks at a pawn shop in savannah, tn. The delicious, coveted, DeArmond pickups alone can go for $150 to $250 apiece. Thats for originals.

The guitar, once cheap and part of the sears silvertone series, is very much a cult classic guitar makers are now doing remakes of both the guitar and the pickups. I think it was around $60 msrp in 1964 it was like i entered a twilight zone time warp when i walked into that pawn shop. It was the only guitar they had.

They are very hard to find, mine was in rough shape. So i lovingly stripped it down and refinished it with a cherry orange sunburst.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

listening to Hyams on 104.5 Nashville this morning at 7 am-ish, the review of QB was bleak. Jimmy making it sound like neither of these guys looks like and SEC starting QB right now. Are others saying the same thing?

 

[Vol_in_NC_1999]

A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away....

I was in college and two freshman recruits came in. They were competing for the 3rd string QB spot behind Jerry Colquitt and Todd Helton. Remember this? Yes, Peyton Manning (game manager) and the more "gunslinger" type Branndon Stewart. After Colquitt and Helton went down with injuries, Manning and Stewart competed for the QB spot. Remember the ire Fulmer got from all the fans who KNEW 100% that Stewart should have been the guy and not Manning? Fulmer was even accused of choosing Manning just to sell more tickets. Tons of people I knew insisted Manning wasn't as good as Stewart and Fulmer couldn't coach, much less be competent enough to figure out who the best QB was. You know the rest of the history.

 

[Evergrenevol]

64 harmony bobkat. Barn find at 60 bucks at a pawn shop in savannah, tn. The delicious, coveted, DeArmond pickups alone can go for $150 to $250 apiece. Thats for originals.

The guitar, once cheap and part of the sears silvertone series, is very much a cult classic guitar makers are now doing remakes of both the guitar and the pickups. I think it was around $60 msrp in 1964 it was like i entered a twilight zone time warp when i walked into that pawn shop. It was the only guitar they had.

They are very hard to find, mine was in rough shape. So i lovingly stripped it down and refinished it with a cherry orange sunburst.

THREAD: PLEASE FORGIVE ME

OMG: Luv it. Hard to explain to people that Sears actually made some of the best musical instruments at one time. My current: 72 Les Paul, 74 Guild D50, 89 Strat, 97 Strat, / Had a Silvertone amp 150 years ago - 2 12s cabinet and the head. Best amp ever made. History: Ampeg, Fender, Peavey and most recently Mesa Boogie tube 1 12 60 Watt.

OK, I’M DONE.....I need a cigarette..Carry on Volnation!

 

[The Original Fade]

I know this isn't popular... but the Pac12 isn't Pop Warner. They do actually have a few good players.... JG couldn't beat out a guy who now plays for a mid-major... and then only after he was playing hurt. Chryst lost his job to a guy making some pre-season Heisman lists. Longshot for sure... but if you are on a list in CFB with only about 25 other names on it... that's pretty good company. And to be perfectly honest, there are several back ups in top tier programs around the country who would be good candidates or even favorites to win UT's QB job.

Solid argument sjt18 as usual, but he is already significantly behind the guy who couldn’t start ahead of Dormady last year (to borrow from your argument). What does that say about Chryst? Maybe he will catch up quick but most observers have put JG decisively ahead right now

 

[sjt18]

Solid argument sjt18 as usual, but he is already significantly behind the guy who couldn’t start ahead of Dormady last year (to borrow from your argument). What does that say about Chryst? Maybe he will catch up quick but most observers have put JG decisively ahead right now

I've seen speculation and it could be true. But there have been others with access who still think it is a battle.

My point in that post though was primarily the Pac12 inferiority notion. I think many would argue that after the SEC's top 2... the teams become more comparable.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Can we please add in the empirical fact that JG completed 61% of his passes last year in actual live game action? The number jumps to 65% (71-109) in SEC play. You don’t complete 65% of your passes in the SEC if you don’t understand when and how to take something off your passes when needed. So Ubben can chart all he wants and give his opinions, but JG has the added benefit of a more successful completion % under dire circumstances as a freshman/first year player last year. Then throw in Austin Price’s, John Brice’s and Erik Ainge’s comments about who they think leads and will ultimately be Tennessee’s starter come the WVa game....

We could but I wasn't disputing his prior throwing record or Chryst's.

I was just putting out what Ubben said he saw in practice 3. No need to get so worked up. Just showing a passes by the numbers article that no other reporter gave except for Ubben.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Thanks Fingers et al for the great videos!

Based on the new scrimmage videos posted later today, if I had to pick a guy that looked pretty good so far at QB, it would be Shrout. He did throw a pick, but so did the other guys. Here are just a few things I noticed:
- He has a controlled leadership presence about him.
- His play action fakes were much better than the rest. The other guys were just just going through the motions.
- He was pretty accurate with all his passes.
- He appears to be more dialed in to executing the offense than the others....

Details win or lose games. Shrout definitely won this category today. Not crowning anyone King just yet, just liked what I saw from him today.

If the guy you'd pick is 3rd on our depth chart we are in big big trouble.

 

[Evergrenevol]

If the guy you'd pick is 3rd on our depth chart we are in big big trouble.

If the guy you'd pick is 3rd on our depth chart we are in big big trouble.

Actually... I think he’s 4th. If your job security is reliant on reading comprehension, you’re screwed..

 

[MWAVolfan]

Nope. It isn't Shrout.

The early advantage is to JG. One of the key things to watch is who goes with the 1's first and who gets the most reps with them. That fact accurately predicted QD the starter last year.

Plain old logic tells you who the starter is.

JG is the de-facto starter (until he sucks really bad on the field and/or gets injured)
Chryst is the stop gap/insurance policy in case one of the above happens. You dont bring in a guy with 1 year of eligibility as a grad student to appoint him the starter.
Shrout is the future successor of JG (unless another better QB is recruited)


The only way Chryst starts the WV game is if the staff sees a particular tendency of the WV defense that they think Chryst can better exploit. But JG is "the guy" until he proves otherwise on the field.

 

[Pepe]

If the guy you'd pick is 3rd on our depth chart we are in big big trouble.

Have you seen an actual up-to-date depth chart for quarterbacks? I'm sure that through the same number of practices that they had been through Ange and Schaefer would have been the bottom two guys in the year that they took over the job

 

[MiramarVol]

JG likes to hit tight windows and get the ball on the WR quickly so that he can het that YAC. If he didn't have touch he'd never been able to hit Jelly out the backfield last year. His problem sometimes is crossing routes when he threads it. It wil get on you quick, but the WR's know who's throwing and they'll get their timing down with this new system.

 

[jasonvol18]

Of course he is. Everyone always thinks a QB who hasn’t played yet is the solution to a team’s problems. Shrout will not play this year barring a catastrophic injury situation to both Chryst and JG

Shrout does need a RS but would like to see us take advantage of the 4 game rule and get some mop up duty. Would benefit him a lot and not hurt anything. Really no reason for him not to.The last decade plus they usually are. Fromm plus Eason, Frank's, Bentley, Shurmur, Lock, Hurts, Stidham at Baylor, Mond, Kelley at Arky. 9 of the current SEC QB's started as True Fr. Also Peyton, Dobb's, Bray,Clausen,Ainge,Manning,Grier, Harris, Brissett,Cutler, McCarren, Stafford, Greene, Russell,S.White,C.Leak, Manziel, Hill,.Those are just current or past SEC FR QB starters. There's tons more in other conferences who have started since their FR Year currently or recently. A trend that will most likely just keep growing.

 

[MiramarVol]

What is Chryst's course of study?

There is a chance that he chose UT for both the opportunity at QB and the post-grad degree program...

Underwater Basket Weaving.

 

[ApacheVol1990]

I personally believe JG's play from last year is being unfairly scrutinized. He simply was not ready to compete at the level of play that comes with playing in the SEC especially with an inept O-line. People also tend to forget how poor Josh Dobbs looked in his debut season as well. QBs do get better with age and with more experience so I don't understand the portion of the fan base simply writing him off. Obviously it is not guaranteed that he will improve but, I do believe we as fans should be in wait in see mode regarding him. Just my two cents.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Have you seen an actual up-to-date depth chart for quarterbacks? I'm sure that through the same number of practices that they had been through Ange and Schaefer would have been the bottom two guys in the year that they took over the job

the depth chart is as much about messaging as anything else.

If UT came out and said that 1) a grad transfer who can only play one year or 2) a true freshman was the choice for #1 QB, it would send up huge red flags about the state of the program.

JG is the guy until he isn't the guy. It's gonna have to come out on game day.

 

[sjt18]

Plain old logic tells you who the starter is.

JG is the de-facto starter (until he sucks really bad on the field and/or gets injured)

Don't agree and especially if Pruitt is the straight shooter many profess him to be. JG didn't do anything to make himself the "de-facto" starter last fall. He struggled. He didn't win games. He showed immaturity. He didn't demonstrate a mastery of the head part of the game. He took sacks. And IMO he was largely protected by the playcalling and scheme.

Chryst is the stop gap/insurance policy in case one of the above happens. You dont bring in a guy with 1 year of eligibility as a grad student to appoint him the starter.

Unless you have doubts about wanting JG to be a 3 year starter. If they want Shrout or Maurer or someone else to be "the future"... then why invest 3 years in JG?

The only way Chryst starts the WV game is if the staff sees a particular tendency of the WV defense that they think Chryst can better exploit. But JG is "the guy" until he proves otherwise on the field.

IMO, they want a starter that they can give the keys to. No one has been named "the guy". It appears that JG is leading. They may announce him the starter tomorrow for all I know. But there are enough mixed reports to doubt anything like a lockdown... and they haven't even practiced in pads yet. When it starts being game speed, decisions start being the means of separation rather than throwing a pretty ball.

 

[Pepe]

the depth chart is as much about messaging as anything else.

If UT came out and said that 1) a grad transfer who can only play one year or 2) a true freshman was the choice for #1 QB, it would send up huge red flags about the state of the program.

JG is the guy until he isn't the guy. It's gonna have to come out on game day.

I think that most vehement guarantano fans form their opinion based on an evaluation that was done by some Brent Hubbs wannabe while he was still in high school. I certainly didn't see anything last year to indicate that he was any kind of a future star

 

[MWAVolfan]

Don't agree and especially if Pruitt is the straight shooter many profess him to be. JG didn't do anything to make himself the "de-facto" starter last fall. He struggled. He didn't win games. He showed immaturity. He didn't demonstrate a mastery of the head part of the game. He took sacks. And IMO he was largely protected by the playcalling and scheme.
Unless you have doubts about wanting JG to be a 3 year starter. If they want Shrout or Maurer or someone else to be "the future"... then why invest 3 years in JG?

IMO, they want a starter that they can give the keys to. No one has been named "the guy". It appears that JG is leading. They may announce him the starter tomorrow for all I know. But there are enough mixed reports to doubt anything like a lockdown... and they haven't even practiced in pads yet. When it starts being game speed, decisions start being the means of separation rather than throwing a pretty ball.

Yeah, but I think my words didnt clearly outline what I mean. when I say that JG is the de-facto starter, what I mean is that JG SHOULD naturally be the starter. He SHOULD be the guy that they expect to hand the keys to and anything less is a clear signal that the QB position is a disaster. Maybe JG is so bad that they will go straight to Chryst without JG even being given a chance to screw up in a live game. I HIGHLY doubt that due to what message that would send to the fan base. It would basically mean that the program is willing to admit right now that they admit this year is a lost cause and they are already rebuilding for the future by handing things off to a seat-warmer. Unless they feel like Chryst can win 3 or 4 more games than JG, they will give the ball to JG and allow him to prove himself or fail so that the blame is on the player for not playing well and not the coach/program for picking the wrong QB out of the gate or sending the message that this year is a lost cause.

 

[MWAVolfan]

I think that most vehement guarantano fans form their opinion based on an evaluation that was done by some Brent Hubbs wannabe while he was still in high school. I certainly didn't see anything last year to indicate that he was any kind of a future star

Yeah, I dont disagree. Dont take my words to mean that I support JG. I dont suppor ANY of them until I see them play. I'm simply laying out the optics of the situation and how I think they will play out. I personally think UT has ZERO great QBs right now and UT is trying to make a decision between eating a sh!t sandwhich and eating a sh!t sandwhich with mustard.

 

[Pepe]

Yeah, I dont disagree. Dont take my words to mean that I support JG. I dont suppor ANY of them until I see them play. I'm simply laying out the optics of the situation and how I think they will play out. I personally think UT has ZERO great QBs right now and UT is trying to make a decision between eating a sh!t sandwhich and eating a sh!t sandwhich with mustard.

I would prefer with at least Dijon, maybe with some Wasabi added

 

[jasonvol18]

If the guy you'd pick is 3rd on our depth chart we are in big big trouble.

Dobb's was 4th when he started, Peyton was 3-4 also. Ohio St won a NC because of their 3rd string QB. Not saying it's the norm, but the depth charts doesn't always mean the 1 is better than the 3 when none are proven yet. Kamara and Kelly were 2 and 3 behind Hurd and we all know both were better RB's. 2 and 3 are playing in the NFL with one being the Offensive Rookie of the year. And here's Hurd changing from a TN to a WR. I like Shrout's potential better than anyone on our roster, but he would greatly benefit from a Redshift Year. Chryst is a serviceable game manager that won't hurt you with mistakes. But also won't beat teams with his arm. Who knows about JG. He's all over the map and hasn't proven he can win games yet. He's got all the tools to be really good, but is he mentally strong enough and can he be a good decision maker in games and be consistent?? Nobody knows yet. Right now I have as much faith in Shrout as I do in the other 3. Simply because we don't have 1 QB on the roster who has won a SEC game. Nor a QB who has won a game in the Vol uniform that he's started and played the majority of. JG t started the S.Miss win, but got knocked out of the game in the 2nd quarter. He didn't do anything that game when he was in there. So right now we have no idea if 1 and 2 could win more games than 3 or 4. JP and Helton have 26 days to figure that out.

 

[The Original Fade]

I've seen speculation and it could be true. But there have been others with access who still think it is a battle.

My point in that post though was primarily the Pac12 inferiority notion. I think many would argue that after the SEC's top 2... the teams become more comparable.

Don’t have the time or energy to look it up again, but about a month ago I did a little research on Stanford and noted that about 70% of their opponents when Chryst played were in the bottom half of the country in pass defense, with about quarter of them ranked 100 or worse in pass defense. Numbers may not be precise, but that’s what I remember