Very early observations on QB....

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DaUndergroundMan said:
Hard to reconcile the limited, opinion soaked takes of simonton and rutherford-who have been glowing, if not erupting upon the glazed personage of guarantano and his arm talent- with the full, fact based, stat filled complete report of David ubben's.

Were these three guys in the same stadium?

My take is bias always exists even in(especially in) the media.
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Simonton isn’t even a Vols fan and has never championed Guarantano. Rutherford is a devoted Vols homer and has never championed either QB. Ubben seems to know his stuff and is a major reason I’m considering subscribing to the Athletic. It just might be possible that 3 different people saw what they saw and two of them agreed with each other.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Butchna I quoted the QB take from Ubben in this thread. It was really good. He charted every throw.
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And I didn’t criticize him or downplay him in any way. Unlike Da’s “unbiased” evaluation of Simonton and Rutherford. Rutherford is a fan who’s one step above a message board poster analytically imo...but Simonton is a professional through and through. Da seems to leak a little “bias” himself.
 
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DaUndergroundMan said:
Hard to reconcile the limited, opinion soaked takes of simonton and rutherford-who have been glowing, if not erupting upon the glazed personage of guarantano and his arm talent- with the full, fact based, stat filled complete report of David ubben's.

Were these three guys in the same stadium?

My take is bias always exists even in(especially in) the media.
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What kind of guitar is that?
 
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butchna said:
And I didn’t criticize him or downplay him in any way. Unlike Da’s “unbiased” evaluation of Simonton and Rutherford. Rutherford is a fan who’s one step above a message board poster analytically imo...but Simonton is a professional through and through. Da seems to leak a little “bias” himself.
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I know you didn't. Didn't know if you had seen the article.
 
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DaUndergroundMan said:
Hard to reconcile the limited, opinion soaked takes of simonton and rutherford-who have been glowing, if not erupting upon the glazed personage of guarantano and his arm talent- with the full, fact based, stat filled complete report of David ubben's.

Were these three guys in the same stadium?

My take is bias always exists even in(especially in) the media.
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TBF, Rutherford had been saying all offseason he thought Chryst would win the job.

His tune has changed over the past couple weeks based on what he's seen/heard.
 
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LittleVol said:
You're not alone.
His reads are much more natural than JG. Chryst should throw a better ball than he does by the look of him. But JG has a much more live arm.
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What does that even mean and how exactly did you come to that conclusion? Reports today were that he caught a little flak from Helton for not working through his progressions well.
 
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butchna said:
Still haven’t. Not subscribing to a “free trial” until I’m ready to subscribe.
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You can link Facebook for 3 free without subscribing. I had the article posted "which I didn't know I couldn't do" so I got in trouble 😞
 
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Jack Burton said:
Yeah, it’s a little concerning that JG is already the favorite to win the job. Is Chryst that far behind or is JG actually improved?
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From what I read from the article, Ubben stated that Chryst was better then what was reported and that through the day the QBs were both pretty equal. He stated that JG basically doesn't put touch on his ball and Chryst knows when to put touch on the ball and when to throw a strike.

It was very even for yesterday. I think he stated Chryst was fluid in his transition from receivers which is completely different then what simonton stated. He said JG had trouble with progressions. Again completely different then what simonton said.

So......

@butchna
 
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We activated our transparent devices at the south entrance of Neyland. Then cursed the humid Tennessee weather which damaged the phasing feature. Meaning we could walk about and observe practice while remaining unseen. But without phasing, we had to be careful to avoid being walked or run into.

I know, worse is it’s not the coaches and players we need most worry about. It’s those darn water girls. They run all over the place trying to squirt water and electrolyte juice into players’ mouths. They’re like worker ants or bees feeding queens. Let’s go.

Hmmm. Quarterbacks don’t look very imposing.

It’s just the start of fall practice. You can’t know which quarterback will be the starter, though that Shrout boy might become something. He’s got to figure which team to throw to first.

Why do you keep hanging around that stump wearing number 17?

Can’t shake a gut feeling the kid is going to come out of nowhere and surprise big time.

More likely he’ll transfer back to Memphis. He’ll become a fine play action QB there. He’s not what Pruitt wants at Tennessee.

I disagree. Come September, he’s going to be Helton’s long ball threat.

Good grief, man! Were you even born with a brain!?

You mean that stuff on my plate this morning wasn’t scrambled eggs? Oh sheep, that means that unusually heavy and cordless Browning Buckmark thing on the bathroom counter wasn’t an Elchim Classic 2001.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
What does that even mean and how exactly did you come to that conclusion? Reports today were that he caught a little flak from Helton for not working through his progressions well.
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Ubbens report was completely different then Simontons report.

Edit: Ubben charted every throw
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Ubbens report was completely different then Simontons report.

Edit: Ubben charted every throw
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Yeah, I read Ubben's article too. Sounded like they were pretty even to him from a purely completion based.


The report about Chyrst getting flak for his progressions though was that he was checking down too soon, too often.
 
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LittleVol said:
You're not alone.
His reads are much more natural than JG. Chryst should throw a better ball than he does by the look of him. But JG has a much more live arm.
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His reads were much more natural than JG?? What does that even mean and how are you able to draw that conclusion after 3 minutes of film. Lol
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Yeah, I read Ubben's article too. Sounded like they were pretty even to him from a purely completion based.


The report about Chyrst getting flak for his progressions though was that he was checking down too soon, too often.
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According to Ubben the checkdowns were warranted due to pressure. So I don't know who to go with since I wasn't there.
 
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shotgun83 said:
From everything I have read the 2 front runners are mediocre. Of the OL can get it together and pound the opposong DLs maybe we won't have to throw deep much.
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I think Pruitt and Helton like to keep the offense unpredictable. They like to throw the deep ball and have it be a weapon. JG is the only one who currently has the best skills to do that. I think our offense will be much better than average as the year progresses.
 
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The Original Fade said:
His reads were much more natural than JG?? What does that even mean and how are you able to draw that conclusion after 3 minutes of film. Lol
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Summary of "The Athletic Article by Ubben" (This should be summarized enough, sorry if it isn't Mods)

Guarantano:

Passes longer than 10 yards: 3-of-8

Passes shorter than 10 yards: 15-of-17

Guarantano puts a lot of velocity on many of his short throws, but that’s more a personal style

Passes behind the line of scrimmage: 4-of-4

Chryst:

Passes longer than 10 yards: 3-of-9

Passes shorter than 10 yards: 13-of-17

Two of his four incompletions were drops.

Passes behind the line of scrimmage: 3-of-4

11-on-11 team drills: No contact on QBs, but offensive and defensive lines are live

Guarantano:

Passes shorter than 10 yards: 3-of-6

Passes longer than 10 yards: 1-of-3

Passes behind the line of scrimmage: None.

Chryst:

Passes shorter than 10 yards: 7-of-9

He was pressured heavily on three attempts and calmly flicked the ball to a receiver streaking underneath the linebackers each time.

"Chryst throws balls with a lot more touch than Guarantano and has a little bit longer release, but his arm strength is capable. He’s experienced enough to know when to use it and when not to use it. He throws a very catchable ball."

Passes behind the line of scrimmage: 1-of-1

"Chryst showed decisiveness, especially when under pressure. His body is well-connected with his mind’s internal clock. When the ball has to come out, it came out, usually to a good place."

Ultimately, both quarterbacks were decent, and take these numbers with a grain of salt.

Both quarterbacks showed accuracy and an ability to get the ball where it has to be on routine throws.

-Ubben
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
According to Ubben the checkdowns were warranted due to pressure. So I don't know who to go with since I wasn't there.
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Not exactly what he said. Said he hit some guys underneath when pressure was coming. Watching the videos of practice, JG did the same a time or two.

If you look at the way he charted their 11 on 11 work JG had 9 pass attempts and Chryst had 10. Chryst didn't attempt a single pass over 10 yards. JG was 3-6 past 10 yards.


Coaches usually script these types of sessions pretty meticulously to see how guys react to certain situations. The fact that Helton was visibly frustrated with Chryst making too many check downs and that he didn't attempt a single pass over 10 yards is telling.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Not exactly what he said. Said he hit some guys underneath when pressure was coming. Watching the videos of practice, JG did the same a time or two.

If you look at the way he charted their 11 on 11 work JG had 9 pass attempts and Chryst had 10. Chryst didn't attempt a single pass over 10 yards. JG was 3-6 past 10 yards.


Coaches usually script these types of sessions pretty meticulously to see how guys react to certain situations. The fact that Helton was visibly frustrated with Chryst making too many check downs and that he didn't attempt a single pass over 10 yards is telling.
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Yeah I'll agree with that in 11 on 11s. Then again he is what 2 or 3 months behind Guarantano on these plays and reads? It'll come to him in more practices to make those deeper throws, hopefully he makes the adjustment after this practice. Thats what film is for. It's only the 3rd practice.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Yeah I'll agree with that in 11 on 11s. Then again he is what 2 or 3 months behind Guarantano on these plays and reads? It'll come to him in more practices to make those deeper throws, hopefully he makes the adjustment after this practice. Thats what film is for. It's only the 3rd practice.
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I'm sure there were plenty of teaching moments to be had for all of the QBs today
 
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