Very early observations on QB....

[BloomuVol]

I just don't realize how someone has a huge lead in practice 3.... Heck Chryst and JG just found out the night after practice or yesterday at some point during film session what they need to fix and work on in the next practice.....

Because there are only 15 practices, they have already conducted a fifth of their allotment of practice, things have to happen quickly.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

@Darth_Shiveman yes KC was in 7v7s and it was said he was doing good. It was also stated that JG was doing good.

By me saying he hasn't been making the reads I should have added for as long as JG has in Helton/Pruitt's system.

That being said our QB position is obviously of concern. I have no faith in the media stating one is ahead of the other after 3 practices. Heck last year they said JG was ahead of QD and then QD ended up starting and we know how that all played out.

I am not going for one or the other I am going for them all and I think 3 practices is just to early to crown a number one. I also believe that each QB will get better that is what Tyson Helton does he makes QBs better.

So, again it'll be refreshing to hear the reports coming out of camp up until the WV game.

I recall few, if any, in the media saying JG was ahead of Dormady heading into 2017. If anybody was reporting that he was they were a part of a small minority. QD was the clear leader and favorite to win the starting job all offseason.

This year the media was pretty split most of the offseason. They’ve only recently started to skew towards JG over the past week or two.

 

[Evergrenevol]

JG appears to be leading. He's going first with the 1's and possibly getting the most reps with them. That is a more important indicator than the observations of reporters covering the program. The competition however is not over and KC is doing some good things as well.

It seems many are basing their predictions on who throws the prettier pass or who has more "zip". Danny Wuerffel was a prolific passer, 1st team AA, and a Heisman winner. He threw some of the ugliest passes you've ever seen and didn't have a great arm. Casey Clausen was very effective for UT but his arm was more similar to KC than JG. There's more to being a QB than throwing a pretty ball. In fact, it is more important to have good ball placement and touch than to be able to throw it through a brick wall.

Bottom line... the competition is over when Pruitt announces a starter. There will be "signs" before then... but he'll let us know when it is written in stone.

What? Are you serious? The competition at ALL POSITIONS IS NEVER OVER.

 

[sjt18]

What? Are you serious? The competition at ALL POSITIONS IS NEVER OVER.

That's cliché... and coaches like for players to "compete"... but it isn't really true. Depth charts still exist because it is necessary to put your team in order.

 

[k-town_king]

I must have missed that issue. Would love to see where that's been mentioned the last year or so. He's got the tools to do it through and hope he does. That would be a great recruiting pitch to future recruits and the elite QB's. But I will call your bluff on the same experts saying they were higher on one over the other. Can't imagine those same numerous NFL guys coming out and saying they are even higher on JG than they were with Shrout. You show me proof of that, I will never question anything you say from now on and will start a Man Crush Creepers fan club for JG in your honor. I'll set it up and you run it how you see fit! Honestly don't understand the unhealthy obsession you have with a player but it's not for me to judge. Personally I would love to see JG then Shrout after him lead us the next 4-+ years, give us QB stability and both end up winning lots of games for us. Then both being future NFL stars. Not sure why you pull for one being successful over another, but some mysteries should remain unsolved. I'll be anxiously awaiting visual proof of your claim!

He’s already dug in on Shrout never taking a meaningful snap because of his performance in ONE season of high school football. Knocked the professionals who praised his performance in a camp but NOW those same hacks have doubled that praise for JG...in some...unwritten article...that he can’t locate...just...right now.

JG got more praise from "experts" coming out. That didn't mean Shrout got none. JG got praise from multiple camps and the Elite Eleven where NFL guys said he had one of the strongest arms they have seen. Shrout from one.

Everyone that has seen them in camp says JG has the NFL arm and Shrout needs to get stronger.

The difference in hype received correlated to the ranking. To act like the 600 something ranked qb got the same amount of love from evaluators is just asinine.

Shrout got some hype. Nowhere near JG level who had Bleacher Report cover his commit.

Butch lying again. I'm not dug in on him never taking a snap. He isn't starting this year which is what I have been saying. Then he will have a fight with other recruited qbs when JG leaves.

 

[Evergrenevol]

That's cliché... and coaches like for players to "compete"... but it isn't really true. Depth charts still exist because it is necessary to put your team in order.

uh..................OK...........

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I recall few, if any, in the media saying JG was ahead of Dormady heading into 2017. If anybody was reporting that he was they were a part of a small minority. QD was the clear leader and favorite to win the starting job all offseason.

This year the media was pretty split most of the offseason. They’ve only recently started to skew towards JG over the past week or two.

Funny how Fingers just dropped some stuff with how they are back to even after one day.... I'm telling you man the media is being super fickle.

 

[sjt18]

uh..................OK...........

uh..................OK...........

Use your eyes rather than listening to the chatter. Few teams and almost no successful ones have any doubt about their starting QB. The best teams have basically the same OL or at most about 7 guys who rotate.

Depth charts are still used... because they are still useful. The position battles for the most part won't extend past the beginning of prep week for the first game. Then coaches have to have an idea of who they're going to play then get them ready to go. They can't spend equal time preparing everyone.

 

[k-town_king]

Funny how Fingers just dropped some stuff with how they are back to even after one day.... I'm telling you man the media is being super fickle.

He said closing the gap. Not back to even. He said Chryst looked more consistent today and close to what JG has been looking like everyday. KC needs to do it more than one day. It's good if he can push JG. He has to do it more consistently though.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

He said closing the gap. Not back to even. He said Chryst looked more consistent today and close to what JG has been looking like everyday. KC needs to do it more than one day. It's good if he can push JG. He has to do it more consistently though.

All I'm saying is this early hogwash from practice 3 about someone being a clear starter is exactly that hogwash. These two guys are going to be competing down to the wire.

On another note Shrout looks very good for a True Freshman. Another year under his belt and he might be something special.

 

[Smokey'sHandler]

He said closing the gap. Not back to even. He said Chryst looked more consistent today and close to what JG has been looking like everyday. KC needs to do it more than one day. It's good if he can push JG. He has to do it more consistently though.

It sounds like JG has really progressed and KC is going to have to bring it every practice to stay on par with him. I sure hope KC starts getting to that level of consistency to push JG to an even higher level that is what he was brought in here to do. The great sign is a guy who performed at a decent level at a program that has been highly successful the past couple of years is having to step it up to even catch JG. It just goes to show 1.) How much JG has progressed in the offseason and 2.) How large of a sh!t show the coaching and scheme were last year.

 

[butchna]

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JG got more praise from "experts" coming out. That didn't mean Shrout got none. JG got praise from multiple camps and the Elite Eleven where NFL guys said he had one of the strongest arms they have seen. Shrout from one.

Everyone that has seen them in camp says JG has the NFL arm and Shrout needs to get stronger.

The difference in hype received correlated to the ranking. To act like the 600 something ranked qb got the same amount of love from evaluators is just asinine.

Shrout got some hype. Nowhere near JG level who had Bleacher Report cover his commit.

Butch lying again. I'm not dug in on him never taking a snap. He isn't starting this year which is what I have been saying. Then he will have a fight with other recruited qbs when JG leaves.

You’ve STATED that he never takes a meaningful snap for UT and this conversation started when you declared that THE SAME “experts” that complimented Shrout, said that JG was “even better”. At some point this isn’t your particular brand of debating and is a straight up lie. No one disputes the acclaim JG had in high school, but you’re the only one that can’t get PAST high school. Soon as they enroll they’re on the same field.

And that “everyone that has seen them in camp” is more of your patented bluster. There’s never 100% consensus on ANYTHING much less this contrived narrative borne from your loins.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Funny how Fingers just dropped some stuff with how they are back to even after one day.... I'm telling you man the media is being super fickle.

I think you’re a little too emotional about this. The media just tells what they see in the portions of practice they can view.

If a guy is up and down day to day, that doesn’t necessarily make the media fickle lol.

All I'm saying is this early hogwash from practice 3 about someone being a clear starter is exactly that hogwash. These two guys are going to be competing down to the wire.

On another note Shrout looks very good for a True Freshman. Another year under his belt and he might be something special.

So after 3 days of practice it’s too early to say one QB has a lead on another, but there’s been plenty of time to evaluate Shrout’s upside? C’mon man.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

So after 3 days of practice it’s too early to say one QB has a lead on another, but there’s been plenty of time to evaluate Shrout’s upside? C’mon man.

So for me to say he is looking good and could possibly be something special with another year under his belt, is the same as crowning a guy a starter? I'm a little confused here Darth.

 

[k-town_king]

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You’ve STATED that he never takes a meaningful snap for UT and this conversation started when you declared that THE SAME “experts” that complimented Shrout, said that JG was “even better”. At some point this isn’t your particular brand of debating and is a straight up lie. No one disputes the acclaim JG had in high school, but you’re the only one that can’t get PAST high school. Soon as they enroll they’re on the same field.

And that “everyone that has seen them in camp” is more of your patented bluster. There’s never 100% consensus on ANYTHING much less this contrived narrative borne from your loins.

So the practice observers haven't said JG has the best arm and has been the best? They haven't said Shrout is behind him? Have they not said Shrout needs to get stronger?

So the guy said Shrout will be great because he had "NFL" guys that gave him praise. Would it not make sense to apply the same to a player who received more? Did JG not receive more coming out?

I said Shrout has potential. I said it was good he got praise. It's also good that the probable starter had more. It is a fact JG was more highly touted. The guy wants to act like Shrout has the most talent because he got some praise while ignoring that the guy ahead had even more.

I'm not going to get into a link posting contest. Anyone who follows recruiting even a smidge knows JG had a ton more good things said about him than Shrout. But yes Shrout did receive some praise.

 

[butchna]

So the practice observers haven't said JG has the best arm and has been the best? They haven't said Shrout is behind him? Have they not said Shrout needs to get stronger?

So the guy said Shrout will be great because he had "NFL" guys that gave him praise. Would it not make sense to apply the same to a player who received more? Did JG not receive more coming out?

I said Shrout has potential. I said it was good he got praise. It's also good that the probable starter had more. It is a fact JG was more highly touted. The guy wants to act like Shrout has the most talent because he got some praise while ignoring that the guy ahead had even more.

I'm not going to get into a link posting contest. Anyone who follows recruiting even a smidge knows JG had a ton more good things said about him than Shrout. But yes Shrout did receive some praise.

So you change your story from post to post? “Everyone” “the same experts” “all the experts” “EVERYONE”. It’s your absolutist bent that gets you grief and it’s a pretty solid book on you that you’ll never enter a “link posting contest” because you would set a standard of failure...you make up stuff! On the regular! No one has disputed JG’s arm strength...he’s got a cannon! His instincts and game readiness have never been pumped up to NFL standards...unless you’re still dwelling on the Elite 11. There’s an occasional poster who expresses the possibility of Shrout catching up in the competition but those aren’t the posts you hurls your message board body at in attack mode. The consensus is that Shrout has FUTURE potential and should redshirt...maybe with some scrub time in 1-4 games. The only acknowledged threat to JG’s playing time is Chryst and that’s being well covered. You’re fighting a fight that hasn’t been booked...makes you look silly.

 

[k-town_king]

So you change your story from post to post? “Everyone” “the same experts” “all the experts” “EVERYONE”. It’s your absolutist bent that gets you grief and it’s a pretty solid book on you that you’ll never enter a “link posting contest” because you would set a standard of failure...you make up stuff! On the regular! No one has disputed JG’s arm strength...he’s got a cannon! His instincts and game readiness have never been pumped up to NFL standards...unless you’re still dwelling on the Elite 11. There’s an occasional poster who expresses the possibility of Shrout catching up in the competition but those aren’t the posts you hurls your message board body at in attack mode. The consensus is that Shrout has FUTURE potential and should redshirt...maybe with some scrub time in 1-4 games. The only acknowledged threat to JG’s playing time is Chryst and that’s being well covered. You’re fighting a fight that hasn’t been booked...makes you look silly.

We all know you don't really have any positions and just like trying to argue.

I never said anything bad about Shrout in the post you responded to. The guy was going on about not writing off a player and believing he has great potential based on hype he got. I agreed.

The post before he tried to bash JG and his performance while trying to twist stats.

I agreed we should not write a player off that has gotten praise from people paid to know like he said. I pointed out the fact JG got even more.

If we don't need to write Shrout off because he had a few good things said should we not also give the guy a shot who had more?

 

[butchna]

We all know you don't really have any positions and just like trying to argue.

I never said anything bad about Shrout in the post you responded to. The guy was going on about not writing off a player and believing he has great potential based on hype he got. I agreed.

The post before he tried to bash JG and his performance while trying to twist stats.

I agreed we should not write a player off that has gotten praise from people paid to know like he said. I pointed out the fact JG got even more.

If we don't need to write Shrout off because he had a few good things said should we not also give the guy a shot who had more?

It’s your NEED to interject JG’s high school acclaim into every conversation. You admit that he wasn’t shading JG at all but you still felt the NEED to push “all the experts” narrative into every conversation. Writing my calling you out on this continuous nonsense is me wanting to argue would hold more water if I was the ONLY one to notice this characteristic of yours...I ain’t.

 

[sjt18]

k-town king has a OCD man crush on JG.... has tied his ego to it... and won't ever admit he's wrong about anything even if it requires him to change his story completely or reverse his logic.

If you choose to talk to him (and it can be fun), just know that he has more stars in his eyes for JG than a pimpled freshman band geek does for the star HS QB.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

All this talk and I’m just thinking “Poor McBride”

 

[Pepe]

He left due to getting his job taken by a better qb who he knew he couldn't beat out. That left a hole we needed to fill with someone with experience, hence pursuit of a grad transfer. Easy explanations.

He didn't leave because he got beat out by a better quarterback he get he left because he couldn't hack it and failed to demonstrate that he was significantly better than Guarantano. I think you are being purposely disingenuous when you say that guarantano beat anybody out.

 

[Pepe]

JG is a tough kid. He took a beating from some hellacious defenses last season and kept on competing. He will need to show the same grit this season.

Missouri Kentucky and Vandy have hellacious defenses?

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

So for me to say he is looking good and could possibly be something special with another year under his belt, is the same as crowning a guy a starter? I'm a little confused here Darth.

You sound confused. Either that or you're using that straw man argument on purpose. Nobody has crowned JG. Some media guys have said he looks better than Chryst and is ahead now.


I just think it's funny how jazzed you get over all the positive reports concerning guys you've been pumping up all off season while at the same time considering all the reports that JG has looked better than Chryst thus far to be fickle and unreliable. Seems like a mixture of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Missouri Kentucky and Vandy have hellacious defenses?

I think he means how badly Bama and LSU got after him

 

[Pepe]

JG got more praise from "experts" coming out. That didn't mean Shrout got none. JG got praise from multiple camps and the Elite Eleven where NFL guys said he had one of the strongest arms they have seen. Shrout from one.

Everyone that has seen them in camp says JG has the NFL arm and Shrout needs to get stronger.

The difference in hype received correlated to the ranking. To act like the 600 something ranked qb got the same amount of love from evaluators is just asinine.

Shrout got some hype. Nowhere near JG level who had Bleacher Report cover his commit.

Butch lying again. I'm not dug in on him never taking a snap. He isn't starting this year which is what I have been saying. Then he will have a fight with other recruited qbs when JG leaves.

The same experts admitted that he had no touch on his passes