Very early observations on QB....

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volfan_28 said:
It seems like the only numbers people care about from last year are 4-8.
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If these people are blaming those numbers on JG, or any other QB from last year, then they did not actually pay attention to the season. There was not a single aspect of the team, save Trevor Daniels, that was good. The entire offense was ill prepared and the in-game play calling appeared to be accomplished by randomly pulling the plays from a hat.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Yeah, but I think my words didnt clearly outline what I mean. when I say that JG is the de-facto starter, what I mean is that JG SHOULD naturally be the starter. He SHOULD be the guy that they expect to hand the keys to and anything less is a clear signal that the QB position is a disaster. Maybe JG is so bad that they will go straight to Chryst without JG even being given a chance to screw up in a live game. I HIGHLY doubt that due to what message that would send to the fan base. It would basically mean that the program is willing to admit right now that they admit this year is a lost cause and they are already rebuilding for the future by handing things off to a seat-warmer. Unless they feel like Chryst can win 3 or 4 more games than JG, they will give the ball to JG and allow him to prove himself or fail so that the blame is on the player for not playing well and not the coach/program for picking the wrong QB out of the gate or sending the message that this year is a lost cause.
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I don't think it necessarily sends that message but you could be right. I personally feel that bringing in KC and looking so hard for a grad transfer were signs that they felt shaky about JG from the start. Maybe it is precisely a "seat warmer" that they were planning on while they built the team. That doesn't mean they don't want to win some games. If that happens it won't be the season but rather JG that they've written off. You seem to think those things are synonymous. I don't.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Don’t have the time or energy to look it up again, but about a month ago I did a little research on Stanford and noted that about 70% of their opponents when Chryst played were in the bottom half of the country in pass defense, with about quarter of them ranked 100 or worse in pass defense. Numbers may not be precise, but that’s what I remember
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That's interesting. I wish we could say that there were two high level, proven QB's duking it out.... but that isn't where we are. We're resigned to hoping at least one of them is better than they've shown.
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't think it necessarily sends that message but you could be right. I personally feel that bringing in KC and looking so hard for a grad transfer were signs that they felt shaky about JG from the start. Maybe it is precisely a "seat warmer" that they were planning on while they built the team. That doesn't mean they don't want to win some games. If that happens it won't be the season but rather JG that they've written off. You seem to think those things are synonymous. I don't.
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I wonder if they felt they needed a “proven” starter due to a lack of confidence in the existing back up. They might have seen improvement in JG, but anticipating a step back in Will McBride.
 
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Pepe said:
I think that most vehement guarantano fans form their opinion based on an evaluation that was done by some Brent Hubbs wannabe while he was still in high school. I certainly didn't see anything last year to indicate that he was any kind of a future star
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Did you support Dobbs after his fairly awful first year? JG was simply not ready last year. I'm not saying he will start but judging a player who was a freshman surrounded by a terrible Oline isn't the best way of thinking. He CAN improve or maybe he is as good as what he showed last year. There is simply no way to know yet.
 
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ApacheVol1990 said:
Did you support Dobbs after his fairly awful first year? JG was simply not ready last year. I'm not saying he will start but judging a player who was a freshman surrounded by a terrible Oline isn't the best way of thinking. He CAN improve or maybe he is as good as what he showed last year. There is simply no way to know yet.
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I didn't say he could not improve, I just said that he did not show anything that indicated that he was a superstar
 
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KBVol said:
Can we please add in the empirical fact that JG completed 61% of his passes last year in actual live game action? The number jumps to 65% (71-109) in SEC play. You don’t complete 65% of your passes in the SEC if you don’t understand when and how to take something off your passes when needed. So Ubben can chart all he wants and give his opinions, but JG has the added benefit of a more successful completion % under dire circumstances as a freshman/first year player last year. Then throw in Austin Price’s, John Brice’s and Erik Ainge’s comments about who they think leads and will ultimately be Tennessee’s starter come the WVa game....
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I believe JG is our best option, atleast right now and I have no dog in this fight but will say that % in the SEC is a little misleading. I say that because he was 6-7 for 16 yds vs GA and 9-16 44 yds vs Ala. With means a lot of those were very short and numerous shuffle passes that count as passes. No clue how you can complete 6 passes and only have 16 passing yards. In 3 of his 5 SEC starts he hit 58%, 56% and 56%. He hit 78% vs UK, who was ranked #109 in defensive passing percentage allowed. . Then 64% vs Vandy who was #82 in defensive passing percentage allowed. His stats look good on paper till you dig a little bit. Exactly why stats can be severely misleading with completion % being the worst. He had a 3/2 TD Int ratio in conference starts and games. The 0-5 SEC starting record is more important than stats. As is the 11 pts a game in those SEC starts and a total of 16 2nd half points in those games. And JG was only a small part of the problem. Coaching, Playcalling, OLine injuries, WR play and the team quitting played much bigger parts in the 4-8. Point is a small sample size of misleading stats are meaningless. Unless stats have become more important than Wins and Losses, but to me they haven't. Drew Lock hits 54,5 of his passes and is considered an elite QB who will be a high draft pick. Completion percentage is at the very bottom of judging a QB.
 
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vols 30 said:
The next great Vol QB is not on the roster .

QB is the weakest spot on the team.
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I don't know either way but NFL scouts and evaluators, who do it for a living disagree with you on Shrout.Hard to say a player isn't good, who has never thrown a college pass. Think I will trust the ones who get paid lots of money to make those judgements and let him play a down before writing him off. But an incredible observation!
 
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jasonvol18 said:
I don't know either way but NFL scouts and evaluators, who do it for a living disagree with you on Shrout.Hard to say a player isn't good, who has never thrown a college pass. Think I will trust the ones who get paid lots of money to make those judgements and let him play a down before writing him off. But an incredible observation!
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Yep! And those same experts are even higher on JG and his NFL potential.
 
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DaUndergroundMan said:
Hard to reconcile the limited, opinion soaked takes of simonton and rutherford-who have been glowing, if not erupting upon the glazed personage of guarantano and his arm talent- with the full, fact based, stat filled complete report of David ubben's.

Were these three guys in the same stadium?

My take is bias always exists even in(especially in) the media.
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Well, for one thing, the QB can put the ball right in the receiver's hands, but if dropped, the QB gets an incompletion as a stat. How bout we just let it play out?
 
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#142
In Pruitt we MUST trust!! And I do. At the end of the day he will get it right. I really think we have 4 good options, but the cream will rise to the top.
 
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UT Hill Man said:
He looks pretty good for a freshmen.
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I would love for Shrout to outright win the battle! If he does, we are set at QB (Barring Injury) for at least the next 3 years! Also, if he wins it, I hope it's because he's very talented and not because the others are mediocre!
 
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Pride85 said:
I wonder if they felt they needed a “proven” starter due to a lack of confidence in the existing back up. They might have seen improvement in JG, but anticipating a step back in Will McBride.
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Honestly, I don't feel good about any of them right now. I'm just trying to read the tea leaves... hoping that one or preferably 2 are better than they've shown so far. I suspect Pruitt's motivation to find a grad transfer can be found in watching the games started by JG and WM in the latter part of the season plus the departure of Dormady. That's sort of a head scratcher too... why leave with a pro-style coach coming in?
 
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sjt18 said:
Honestly, I don't feel good about any of them right now. I'm just trying to read the tea leaves... hoping that one or preferably 2 are better than they've shown so far. I suspect Pruitt's motivation to find a grad transfer can be found in watching the games started by JG and WM in the latter part of the season plus the departure of Dormady. That's sort of a head scratcher too... why leave with a pro-style coach coming in?
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He left due to getting his job taken by a better qb who he knew he couldn't beat out. That left a hole we needed to fill with someone with experience, hence pursuit of a grad transfer. Easy explanations.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
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"I thought Guarantano made some really nice throws and was able to complete some difficult passes once receivers were getting covered by defensive backs, but Chryst also threaded the needle and made a few impressive throws of his own."
-- Nathanael Rutherford

Five standouts (IMO) from Tennessee's open practice: 1. CB Alontae Taylor 2. OLB Jonathan Kongbo 3. QB Jarrett Guarantano 4. TE Dominick Wood-Anderson 5. WR Cedric Tillman
Simonton

"... it was quite clear who the top quarterback on the field was Sunday. Jarrett Guarantano threw strikes in both pass-skeleton work, 7-on-7 and 11-on-11. Compared to a year ago, JG was much better with his footwork and decision-making. He didn’t hold onto the ball for forever and he routinely found his check-downs quickly. He had one really poor throw (was baited by Alontae Taylor) but he responded with a bomb on his very next attempt. That’s growth. He didn’t his head after a poor pass. He got right back in the huddle and made a play." -- Simonton
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I love seeing Cedric Tillman's name being mentioned! I hope he turns out to be twice the receiver that the kid that flipped to FSU is!!! Tillman does have all the measurables to be an amazing WR.
 
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GAVol said:
One thing I can safely say.... whoever the starter is, I'm going to feel better about our QB depth than I have in years.
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I really think it's more that we have a proven QB coach now. We've had really good QB's over the past few years because several have made it to the pros. That said with a really good QB coach can make a world of difference.

JG will start because he has the locker room and team. KC is a really good back up in case JG gets hurt but I think it's JG's team to lose.

O line play is halfway decent and we can win 8 games. The defense is going to keep us in a lot of games this year IMHO. As I've said in the past: Run the ball, play stout defense, limit the turnovers and win special teams and we win at least 9 games.

:)
 
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k-town_king said:
Yep! And those same experts are even higher on JG and his NFL potential.
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I must have missed that issue. Would love to see where that's been mentioned the last year or so. He's got the tools to do it through and hope he does. That would be a great recruiting pitch to future recruits and the elite QB's. But I will call your bluff on the same experts saying they were higher on one over the other. Can't imagine those same numerous NFL guys coming out and saying they are even higher on JG than they were with Shrout. You show me proof of that, I will never question anything you say from now on and will start a Man Crush Creepers fan club for JG in your honor. I'll set it up and you run it how you see fit! Honestly don't understand the unhealthy obsession you have with a player but it's not for me to judge. Personally I would love to see JG then Shrout after him lead us the next 4-+ years, give us QB stability and both end up winning lots of games for us. Then both being future NFL stars. Not sure why you pull for one being successful over another, but some mysteries should remain unsolved. I'll be anxiously awaiting visual proof of your claim!😉😉
 
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