We are an entitled, petty, barbaric country: Handicapped parking shooting

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McDad said:
Lol. She had her 20th bday over weekend. Her adoptive grandparents came over. We were sitting around reminiscing and She rolled out that story at the dinner table. Face palm.
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Lol of course she did. Happy birthday to her.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Watch the video again and pay close attention to the right side/hand of the victim. As the crazy dude brings the gun out, he blades ever so slightly to where his right side isn’t visible to the crazy dude. If I am the guy on the ground, I see a man who has just assaulted me, I draw my weapon and he blades to me to where I cannot see his hands, I am shooting the guy as soon as he makes a move. The visibility of hands is the most important aspect of self defense. Hands are what hurt you. Hands hold weapons, either real, or imagined. If you cannot see his hands, you have no way of knowing. Compliance is key.

There is a lot of stupid to go around in this one. The lady parking the car where she shouldn’t as well as the crazy dude playing Barney fife. The guy coming out and assaulting the man. This was a disastrous situation all the way around.
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This is where I stand 100%. The only pause I have is are we giving this guy too much credit for observing the guys hand?
 
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Roustabout said:
It is when you are instigating. The guy shot was backing away. This **** Head was looking for someone to shoot dumb ass.
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That doesn't mean the concept or law is BS. Some idiot stepping outside of intent of the law doesn't invalidate a person's right to defend themselves.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I generally agree and I try to live my life by the sticks and stones motto, however I am pointing out that others have indicated in previous topics their willingness to whoop some ass in order to teach a lesson to someone who was not necessarily being violent. That whole macho man attitude runs counter to the defense of the shooter that we are seeing now.
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We went to a baseball game a couple weeks ago and sat in general admission. We got there late but found some spaces. 15 minutes later this dude sits behind us and starts saying “I guess I lost my seats, etc” to the people beside him. Then he starts saying roll tide to my kid. I couldn’t care less, my wife says we’re UT fans. Not helpful. Oh you guys shouldn’t have stolen Pruitt, he’ll be back at Bama soon, etc. I just said ok. Then he says something else and I ignored him. Then he started that hey man I’m trying to talk to you stuff. So my choice was engage this 50ish drunk who came alone to a baseball game and sprung $5 for the ticket or move. I picked move. There’s no upside for me.
 
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***RoadVol*** said:
Again....getting pushed to the ground is not enough reason to justify you shooting someone. If your first instinct to getting punched or pushed is to shoot someone you are a timid snowflake.
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Not necessarily as a general rule. I agree in this instance based on the video linked.
 
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***RoadVol*** said:
Again....getting pushed to the ground is not enough reason to justify you shooting someone. If your first instinct to getting punched or pushed is to shoot someone you are a timid snowflake.
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Put yourself in his shoes. Not your own after comfortably watching a video several times.

Even then. Don’t escalate to violence and there won’t be violence.....
 
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lawgator1 said:
Let me know what food you like, I'll give recommendations
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Here are some places I've visited:
CHEZ VINCENT
INFUSION TEA
Winter Park Fish Company
THE RAVENOUS PIG

I will try almost any type of food. Not too fond of Ethiopian.
Recommendations would be great. They do not all have to be upscale. I love locally owned rustic places also.

Thank you.
 
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***RoadVol*** said:
Again....getting pushed to the ground is not enough reason to justify you shooting someone. If your first instinct to getting punched or pushed is to shoot someone you are a timid snowflake.
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So if a young Mike Tyson pushes you down and threatens to punch you senseless and you have a gun and you think you're a sissy for pulling it?
 
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Well, it was fun and reasonable for a little while at least.

Even LG was tolerable. Dang shame.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Especially IF the guy is standing over him, prior to pulling the gun, and saying that he is going to kill him.......he was attacked in a public place and out numbered.......we can all say that none of us would have pulled the trigger on a guy backing away, but the truth is, we do not know exactly what we would do and the emotions of the situation.....
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This is very true. It's why I don't carry...he should never carry again either. Have to be able to self evaluate. I own guns, and don't hunt. I bought them specifically to kill someone should they break in my home, or harm my wife or children to the point that I am willing to lose my life in order to take theirs. I leave them at home, because I have a temper. Ride home to get a gun would be a mandatory cooling off period. We have to be smart enough to know how stupid we can be at times.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
We went to a baseball game a couple weeks ago and sat in general admission. We got there late but found some spaces. 15 minutes later this dude sits behind us and starts saying “I guess I lost my seats, etc” to the people beside him. Then he starts saying roll tide to my kid. I couldn’t care less, my wife says we’re UT fans. Not helpful. Oh you guys shouldn’t have stolen Pruitt, he’ll be back at Bama soon, etc. I just said ok. Then he says something else and I ignored him. Then he started that hey man I’m trying to talk to you stuff. So my choice was engage this 50ish drunk who came alone to a baseball game and sprung $5 for the ticket or move. I picked move. There’s no upside for me.
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Most people would take the bait.
 
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#740
Much to the chagrin of a lot of folks this situation very likely ticks all the boxes under SYG.

Guy gets assaulted and sent airborne with that shove.
Was a threat issued of further bodily harm, "we" don't know but I bet the LEOs there do.
There is a visible disparity of force between assailant and dude on the ground, likely proven buy how far dude got shoved.
Does dude on the ground know for a fact his assailant is retreating or could he appear to be reaching for a weapon?
In fear of further bodily harm the guy draws and fires.

To those stating just drawing the firearm was enough, well that's likely still a felony worth a few years time in Florida. Don't draw it unless you are going to use it.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
This is very true. It's why I don't carry...he should never carry again either. Have to be able to self evaluate. I own guns, and don't hunt. I bought them specifically to kill someone should they break in my home, or harm my wife or children to the point that I am willing to lose my life in order to take theirs. I leave them at home, because I have a temper. Ride home to get a gun would be a mandatory cooling off period. We have to be smart enough to know how stupid we can be at times.
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Well said, my brother.
 
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#742
How do you prove what the shooter heard, saw, thought or felt? Seems like a good defense attorney would walk through the video with him and have all angles of the story covered to create reasonable doubt. JMHO.
 
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VolFaninFla said:
Here are some places I've visited:
CHEZ VINCENT
INFUSION TEA
Winter Park Fish Company
THE RAVENOUS PIG

I will try almost any type of food. Not too fond of Ethiopian.
Recommendations would be great. They do not all have to be upscale. I love locally owned rustic places also.

Thank you.
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Try Bosphorous, also Boca.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Because you can't suffer bodily harm by yelling at someone. It's been admitted that the shove could have killed him. That's the difference. The dude escalated it to it being physical.
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But the shove didn't kill him, so that's totally irrelevant. The shove caused slightly more harm than the yelling. The shooting caused way more harm than the shove. One of them escalated more than the other. Can we agree on that?
 
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n_huffhines said:
But the shove didn't kill him, so that's totally irrelevant. The shove caused slightly more harm than the yelling. The shooting caused way more harm than the shove. One of them escalated more than the other. Can we agree on that?
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Sure, that's the way it turned out. It's not irrelevant. It goes to whether the shooter was threatened. If you are threatened physically, your instinct is to protect yourself. But what if he'd shot him in the leg. The gun shot had the potential to be less deadly too. What if he'd just grazed him with the round? Both actions had the potential to be lethal. One turned out to be lethal. Exchanging of words had zero chance to be lethal. Can we agree on that? That guy that pushed the other guy made it physical. He's the one that crossed the line.
 
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McDad said:
That doesn't mean the concept or law is BS. Some idiot stepping outside of intent of the law doesn't invalidate a person's right to defend themselves.
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This goes beyond a right to defend.
This is the right to stir up **** and then shoot someone when you’ve flipped their trigger.
 
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***RoadVol*** said:
Again....getting pushed to the ground is not enough reason to justify you shooting someone. If your first instinct to getting punched or pushed is to shoot someone you are a timid snowflake.
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You do realize that you just acquitted the shooter with this statement......
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Sure, that's the way it turned out. It's not irrelevant. It goes to whether the shooter was threatened. If you are threatened physically, your instinct is to protect yourself. But what if he'd shot him in the leg. The gun shot had the potential to be less deadly too. What if he'd just grazed him with the round? Both actions had the potential to be lethal. One turned out to be lethal. Exchanging of words had zero chance to be lethal. Can we agree on that? That guy that pushed the other guy made it physical. He's the one that crossed the line.
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The shooting does not happen if the shove does not happen......
 
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