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bleedingTNorange said:
I think the question...which way was better is valid?

Early on Barnes was compared to Bruce Pearl, Ben Howland, and Avery Johnson as they were all hired the same year except Pear who was 1 year sooner. Those 3 coaches were consistently pointed to as examples of why Barnes wasn’t successful on the recruiting trail, now that we have had 2-3 years to judge let’s look back...




Rick Barnes Tennessee: 57-44 overall, 27-27 SEC record, 7th place avg. SEC finish, 1 NCAAT appearance.




Ben Howland Mississippi State: 55-45 overall, 22-32 SEC record, 10th place avg. SEC finish, 0 NCAAT appearances.

Recruiting:
Malik Newman ***** transferred after 1 season
Quindarry Weatherspoon ****
Aric Holman ****
Schnider Herard **** transfers after 1 season
Mario Kegler **** transfers after 1 season
Eli Wright **** transfer after 1 season
Tyson Carter ****
Lamar Peters **** suspended multiple times
Abdul Ado **** ineligible 1st season
Nick Weatherspoon****




Avery Johnson Alabama: 57-46 overall, 26-28 SEC record, 8th place avg. SEC finish, 1 NCAAT appearance.

Recruiting:
Braxton Key **** transferred after 2nd season
Ar’Mond Davis **** transferred after 1st season
Collin Sexton ***** one and done to NBA
John Petty ****
Alex Reese ****




Bruce Pearl Auburn: 70-62 overall, 29-43 SEC record, 9th place avg. SEC finish, 1 NCAAT appearance.

Recruiting:
Trayvon Reed **** dismissed after 1 season
Cinmeon Bowers ****
Horace Spencer ****
Danjel Purifoy **** ineligible amid FBI investigation
TJ Dunans ****
Mustapha Heron ***** unexpectedly leaves for NBA after 2nd year
Austin Wiley **** ineligible amid FBI investigation
Jared Harper ****
Chuma Okeke ****
Davion Mitchell **** transferred after 1 season





So by my count 14/25 or 56%, of 4 & 5 stars recruited to those 3 schools ended up transferring, leaving early for NBA, or were ruled ineligible. So sure, Tennessee could have gotten some guys ranked similarly, but would those guys have been better for the program long term than say the Jalen Johnson’s, John Fulkerson’s or Yves Pons? This isn’t a debate I’m looking to have over whether we need to recruit better, or if Barnes and staff are changing their philosophy etc. this is something completely different and I’m just looking at it because it was a popular point being made 2-3 years ago.

Another aspect of it that I haven’t dove into is what is the shape of each team for next year as well? Mississippi State looks like a likely Top 25 team, Alabama is a bit unknown, I think they’ll be similar to what they were this year, however Auburn looks like they’ve been decimated and I’m not sure what they’re going to put out there...meanwhile Tennessee appears set to be ranked Top 10 preseason and unless something unexpected happens should be ranked for most of the season which would threaten the school record for most consecutive weeks ranked.
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Wow! Great post and great information. Thx!
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
But in what context? It could be he feels he does not have to hit the road and "put the time in" OR he "earned the right" to choose how best to use his time and in that situation it was not worth it in his mind. Based on all that we know about Barne's character and body of work thus far at TN, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and not assume the worst when there are other plausible explanations.
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Best explanation that I have seen yet.
 
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Interesting.

"Swerve. UT hoops associate HC Rob Lanier says in Memphis that the Vols do not anticipate adding to their roster this offseason. Says focus is on 2019 class. Barnes said last week that Vols planned to fill both open slots." -- David Cobb
 
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Freak said:
Interesting.

"Swerve. UT hoops associate HC Rob Lanier says in Memphis that the Vols do not anticipate adding to their roster this offseason. Says focus is on 2019 class. Barnes said last week that Vols planned to fill both open slots." -- David Cobb
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lol

Here come Ziti
 
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I’m going to wait until he officially announces, but I’m actually angry right now. I’ll wait until he announces to pass judgement.
 
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Didn’t he just say the other day we planned to fill that spot?

Everyone knows we are getting the grad transfer. Announced officially or not.
 
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