Iran nuclear program. It is a lie

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Orangeslice13 said:
I mean beyond the basic understanding

Parsi, also spelled Parsee, member of a group of followers in India of the Persian prophet Zoroaster. The Parsis, whose name means "Persians", are descended from Persian Zoroastrians who emigrated to India to avoid religious persecution by the Muslims.
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The bulk of the Persian population converted Islam, but this sect did not. If you are saying that this group who left Iran and lived in India for centuries (probably interbred with Indians to some degree are more ethnically Persian than Persians who remained in Iran but simply changed religions, then I disagree.
 
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Persian Vol said:
My username is Persian Vol, and it’s a symbol that is iconic for Persians. I just think it’s cool. I wasn’t going to make it a photo of ayatollah khomeini.
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Cool.
You may have noticed I like reading up on history of peoples..... beliefs......ect.
Zoroastrians are an interesting group. With ties to Judaism. It appears just after the Jews were captive in Babylon. The time when the book of Daniel was written. So some debate can be had as to who influenced who. Also the story of the wisemen in the NT are often misrepresented as Kings where a more likely identity is Zoroastrian priesthood. Which leads to the question why would they be there at the birth of Messiah? Maybe following up on one of their prophecies. Either handed down by their founder? Or .....maybe from Daniel? Yes I know, wrong thread.

I just find it interesting
 
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Persian Vol said:
The bulk of the Persian population converted Islam, but this sect did not. If you are saying that this group who left Iran and lived in India for centuries (probably interbred with Indians to some degree are more ethnically Persian than Persians who remained in Iran but simply changed religions, then I disagree.
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Nope
I was headed off on a tangent.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I would tend to think there is no major culture that can claim pure genetic "purity" at this point save some African tribes and perhaps those deep in the Amazon and places like that which have been isolated from serious contact with the "outside world."

Arguing over Persian genetics seems to be a bit odd considering that culture has been invaded and conquered many times throughout its history. And with that conquering, inbred with the populations that occupied the historic area Persia/Iran is today.

Like our own Native American population, it's going to be hard to find more than a smattering of pure blood inhabitants that go back that far.
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I understand why one would assume that. But I think people are over estimating the amount of inbreeding that goes on when empires conquer each other. When the Persians took took over the Middle East during Cyrus the Greats campaign, there were still other ethnicities within the empire outside of the Persian people. When Cyrus’s son conquered Egypt, it’s not like the people of Egypt became Persian by any means, but they were under the dominion of the Persian empire. When Alexander took the Persian empire, Hellenistic culture influenced the region until it ultimately crumbled and was overrun by the second Persian Empire (Parthians). But during this Hellenistic period I don’t recall of any mass migration of Greeks to Iran to account for any dramatic change in Persian genes. Fast forward until the last Persian Empire (Sassanids) fell to the Arab Caliphates, the region was influenced by Islam. But while Islam did influence the country, they were still ethnically different than Arabs genetically and culturally. Keep in mind that there have been Persian Empires for almost a thousand years accumulatively, with a brief stint of Hellenistic rule. Prior to the Arab invasion, the Persians had a solid foundation of civilization and culture that wouldn’t be severely altered or wiped out.

The Arabs did influence the region, primarily with their language and religion, and I’m sure some Arabs migrated to Iran (although I don’t believe this to be as extreme to where slice thinks it is). But simply being under the dominion of another culture doesn’t mean that your culture automatically transforms, especially when your culture has been established for centuries like Persian culture has. I don’t deny the fact that Persian culture has been influenced over the last two thousand years, but the persian people in general never lost their culture completely or were genetically replaced by another ethnicity for Persians to completely lose their lineage.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Cool.
You may have noticed I like reading up on history of peoples..... beliefs......ect.
Zoroastrians are an interesting group. With ties to Judaism. It appears just after the Jews were captive in Babylon. The time when the book of Daniel was written. So some debate can be had as to who influenced who. Also the story of the wisemen in the NT are often misrepresented as Kings where a more likely identity is Zoroastrian priesthood. Which leads to the question why would they be there at the birth of Messiah? Maybe following up on one of their prophecies. Either handed down by their founder? Or .....maybe from Daniel? Yes I know, wrong thread.

I just find it interesting
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My knowledge of this subject is limited, but I am sure it is interesting.
 
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Hope Trump ramps up these sanctions on Iran so they release the names... could be a complete game changer.
 
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Hayezb said:
Hope Trump ramps up these sanctions on Iran so they release the names... could be a complete game changer.
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Do you think they’d ever release the names? Even if it is true I don’t think “they” would ever release the information. Wouldn’t want to damage our reputation.......so the status quo is maintained
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m not claiming to be anything other than mud blood Jewish. (Jewish from my great grandfather on my dads side.
You’ve never seen me claim the Jews should be in Israel because they were there 2000 years ago. Someone else was there first. But on the other hand any claim the Jews have made about their heritage has been backed up by it actually being their heritage.
If you claim that the United States has thousands of years history culture and heritage just because we live here now you’d be just as wrong as those claiming the same for the Iranians
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So if you have an ounce of Native American blood, can you claim a heritage that goes further back? And I'm not attaching it to the country itself, I'm attaching it to land that makes up the country.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The modern day Iranians are not descended from those who lived there thousands of years ago. That’s just the facts.
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So no one in Iran carries the bloodline? I'm not talking pure blood, I'm talking any trace of descendancy.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
They had no reason to fear me or worry about my response. I understand what you’re saying but I just don’t think they had to respond that way. As for me due to my physical characteristics (large white male) and accent there’s very little I could do to mask my nationality anyway.
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Put "eh" at the end of every sentence and you can pass for Canadian, lol.
 
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Better yet why don’t you go the Israel and clear up the disputed areas of the Temple Mount. Those dumbasses seem to think who stood there 2000 years ago matters too.
 
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Then on your way back you can stop in California and help resolve if it should be returned to Mexico.
And if it does go back to Mexico you can determine if it should be then returned to the native Americans.
 
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Slice, you know I love you as a person, but my whole point in this is pointing out that your attempt to attack Ras has also served as an attack on Persian Vol. He's as proud of his heritage as you are of your heritage. So what are you accomplishing? Unless your whole point was to be a complete ass, I'm not sure where you're going. If your goal is to educate, you'll never teach people by ****ting on them. Just doesn't work.



Still love you anyway. Send my best to Red.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Sure
It worked for Elizabeth Warren.
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Like I said previously, I myself don't proclaim ****. Beyond those in my family who have actually influenced me, I don't look any further into the past to identify who I am. I am me. There's only one of me. And I'm perfectly fine with that. I don't need to claim a past I didn't live to feel a sense of self worth. But some people find comfort in that. More power to them.
 
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Weezer said:
Slice, you know I love you as a person, but my whole point in this is pointing out that your attempt to attack Ras has also served as an attack on Persian Vol. He's as proud of his heritage as you are of your heritage. So what are you accomplishing? Unless your whole point was to be a complete ass, I'm not sure where you're going. If your goal is to educate, you'll never teach people by ****ting on them. Just doesn't work.




Still love you anyway. Send my best to Red.
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Lol
There is no attack.
Ras made a false claim of heritage while saying the opposing people were wiping their ass with sand 2 generations ago. that has no place in a foreign policy discussion. 2 generations ago is irrelevant to where we are now. 4000 years is stupid.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Go read the study weez
It’s posted in this thread.
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The study does no such thing of mentioning whether or not Iranians have a trace of descendancy from ancient Persians. It was only demonstrating the influence of Arabs and Indians in the genes. But this itself doesn’t negate the Persian lineage.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Lol
There is no attack.
Ras made a false claim of heritage while saying the opposing people were wiping their ass with sand 2 generations ago. that has no place in a foreign policy discussion. 2 generations ago is irrelevant to where we are now. 4000 years is stupid.
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I understand you were going after Ras, but PV was caught up in your attack. Kind of like an innocent bystander.
 
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