Iran nuclear program. It is a lie

[AM64]

I had to look it up. I always thought he said Maryville.
Lol

No, that would have been Murvil.

 

[AM64]

It is not a false claim, and you admitted as much with your response. I clear stated those people had 4000 years of rich culture, then you followed up by pointing out the differing influences that have been in the region. But, unlike the Native Americans here, they were not wiped out or exterminated.

Tamerlane - Timur paid an extended visit to Persia, and he had a habit of exterminating the population of places that resisted - including some Persian cities. He also liked to build towers from the skulls of his victims.

Since we exterminated the earlier settlers (they came her from someplace else just like we did), can we quit paying reparations to the survivors?

 

[AM64]

Avenatti. Isn't it strange he hasn't bashed Avenatti?

Don't you find it interesting that a guy (Avenatti) without legal investigative powers has so much private information on someone else? Sounds seriously like an invasion of privacy and a breach of attorney/client privilege - seems a little hard to explain unless you admit to hacking or stealing info from someone else.

 

[hog88]

So the basic premise of this thread is that Iran is violating the "spirit" of the nuclear deal because it previously lied to the Obama administration about its program, hasn't destroyed the infrastructure for its program, and continues to work on its missile program - which isn't prohibited under the terms of the deal.

Seems to me that if past lies are a basis for abandoning a deal, we would have already jettisoned Trump, given all his lies during the campaign.

The logic just isn't there. This is why the rest of the world - save Iran's archenemy - maintains that Iran remains in compliance.

Trump is reneging on a valid deal and is letting the world know the United States is untrustworthy.

And, oh by the way, if Trump plans to follow through on his threats to sanction our allies for continuing commerce with Iran, the end result is likely even more retaliatory economic tariffs from our FRIENDS.

Great plan, Dotard.

"America First" is an idiotic, protectionist policy that will only serve to backfire on our national interests.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

[Grand Vol]

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

I tend to love the doom and gloom brought up by folks of his posting...caliber over things like this. Remember last year how EVERYONE on the left was screeching about Trump going after North Korea?

How'd that turn out?

Or screeching about "expanding the war" in Syria with the initial missile strikes?

Interesting turn of events as of late.

Or pulling us out of the Paris Treaty would lead to global calamity?

Corporations, Cities and States are doing it voluntarily without having the federal government force them to do it.

I'd dare say we need a wait and see mentality, but that's asking far too much from some.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

So the basic premise of this thread is that Iran is violating the "spirit" of the nuclear deal because it previously lied to the Obama administration about its program, hasn't destroyed the infrastructure for its program, and continues to work on its missile program - which isn't prohibited under the terms of the deal.

Seems to me that if past lies are a basis for abandoning a deal, we would have already jettisoned Trump, given all his lies during the campaign.

The logic just isn't there. This is why the rest of the world - save Iran's archenemy - maintains that Iran remains in compliance.

Trump is reneging on a valid deal and is letting the world know the United States is untrustworthy.

And, oh by the way, if Trump plans to follow through on his threats to sanction our allies for continuing commerce with Iran, the end result is likely even more retaliatory economic tariffs from our FRIENDS.

Great plan, Dotard.

"America First" is an idiotic, protectionist policy that will only serve to backfire on our national interests.

You are correct, our allies will choose to do business with Iran over the USA every time! They will show us who is boss. Meanwhile the dotard is continuing to be very successful. I know its impossible because if he is successful then you were dead wrong. The growing list must really piss you off? 7 more years to go! lol:

 

[OuterBanksVol]

I tend to love the doom and gloom brought up by folks of his posting...caliber over things like this. Remember last year how EVERYONE on the left was screeching about Trump going after North Korea?

How'd that turn out?

Or screeching about "expanding the war" in Syria with the initial missile strikes?

Interesting turn of events as of late.

Or pulling us out of the Paris Treaty would lead to global calamity?

Corporations, Cities and States are doing it voluntarily without having the federal government force them to do it.

I'd dare say we need a wait and see mentality, but that's asking far too much from some.

Wait and see on Iran would be reasonable if there were a plan... but Trumps plan sans Plan B marches us off a cliff.
Btw, Korea is far from a done deal .

 

[Orangedogsrule]

No, that would have been Murvil.

You misspelled it.

Muruhvil.

Yer welcome.

 

[Obsessed]

Just when I thought it couldn't get crazier... did they really pay the Iranians back in cash? As in pallets of cash?

Pallets of cash was given out but it wasn’t to the Iranians.

 

[hog88]

Wait and see on Iran would be reasonable if there were a plan... but Trumps plan sans Plan B marches us off a cliff.
Btw, Korea is far from a done deal .

I don't remember Trump detailing a plan for Korea, maybe he's playing it close to the vest again.

Or hell he could be winging it, why fix something that's not broken?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Welcome to 2015 Ras...

As big of a cynic or conspiracy theorist as most of you think I am, even I couldn't wrap my mind around the idea of them really transferring "straight cash homie" on pallets. I had heard about the cash transfers before, but I had just assumed they were speaking in allegories or using colorful language when they were talking about some of these transfers. Word is that it could have been well over $2 billion in cash...

 

[OuterBanksVol]

As big of a cynic or conspiracy theorist as most of you think I am, even I couldn't wrap my mind around the idea of them really transferring "straight cash homie" on pallets. I had heard about the cash transfers before, but I had just assumed they were speaking in allegories or using colorful language when they were talking about some of these transfers. Word is that it could have been well over $2 billion in cash...

Legally it was Iran's money plus interest. We could have fought it through a legal battle but we probably would have lost. It was the right thing to do.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

The reality of trying to bully our our European allies. There is no Trump plan.

"So far, the officials say, they have no idea how the administration plans to accomplish that. “We haven’t heard anything that is close to a strategy,” said one of several European officials who discussed the sensitive subject on the condition of anonymity."

"...When Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called his European counterparts last weekend, all were eager to hear the administration’s plans. Instead, officials from two of the big three allies said, he threw the ball in their court, asking how they saw the future unfolding.

“But it’s up to the administration to come up with a framework, a new position,” a second European official said. “We are waiting for them.”

Typical Trump: Not only does he not have a plan, he asks our bullied allies what our plan should be. Apparently we were close to having a solution that preserved the deal and addressed Trump concerns... its basis was detailed in a memo from Europe to the US. Trump apparently never even read it.

 

[FLVOL69]

Wait and see on Iran would be reasonable if there were a plan... but Trumps plan sans Plan B marches us off a cliff.
Btw, Korea is far from a done deal .

You’re a hoot 😂

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Legally it was Iran's money plus interest. We could have fought it through a legal battle but we probably would have lost. It was the right thing to do.

Yeah, I get that. Here's the problem. If they really transferred cash, that opens the door for possible "leakage". Meaning, there is a tendency for some of that cash to go missing. In the past few days, Iran has threatened to name names with regards to who was paid off in this whole deal. The leakage would have been a convenient way to pay off politicians of interest or whoever. If we are really talking about crates and pallets of cash, all you need is just half a pallet to go missing and you are talking about some serious money.

And of course, that cash could then be transferred to a crooked bank of your choice (HSBC, Wells Fargo, etc) that have been know to launder drug money in the past. Keep in mind also, that if were you or me and we engaged in a cash event over $10,000, we would be forced to fill out all kinds of paperwork to verify the source and destination of this cash to allegedly prevent situations that possibly could have occurred in this case.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

Yeah, I get that. Here's the problem. If they really transferred cash, that opens the door for possible "leakage". Meaning, there is a tendency for some of that cash to go missing. In the past few days, Iran has threatened to name names with regards to who was paid off in this whole deal. The leakage would have been a convenient way to pay off politicians of interest or whoever. If we are really talking about crates and pallets of cash, all you need is just half a pallet to go missing and you are talking about some serious money.

And of course, that cash could then be transferred to a crooked bank of your choice (HSBC, Wells Fargo, etc) that have been know to launder drug money in the past. Keep in mind also, that if were you or me and we engaged in a cash event over $10,000, we would be forced to fill out all kinds of paperwork to verify the source and destination of this cash to allegedly prevent situations that possibly could have occurred in this case.

We fulfilled our legal obligation to give Iran its money back with the transfer. All other "what ifs" are immaterial.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

You’re a hoot 😂

As per your MO, no substantive addition to the conversation.

 

[Weezer]

The reality of trying to bully our our European allies. There is no Trump plan.

"So far, the officials say, they have no idea how the administration plans to accomplish that. “We haven’t heard anything that is close to a strategy,” said one of several European officials who discussed the sensitive subject on the condition of anonymity."

"...When Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called his European counterparts last weekend, all were eager to hear the administration’s plans. Instead, officials from two of the big three allies said, he threw the ball in their court, asking how they saw the future unfolding.

“But it’s up to the administration to come up with a framework, a new position,” a second European official said. “We are waiting for them.”

In other words, Europe still relies on us to solve the world's problems.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

In other words, Europe still relies on us to solve the world's problems.

Uhhh no. Europe is trying to prevent Iran from pursuing nuclear research since Trump reneged on the deal. Trump is creating problems for Europe by threatening them with sanctions if they preserve the deal.

 

[FLVOL69]

As per your MO, no substantive addition to the conversation.

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The substance is in front of your face, just look at the progress made since Trumps inauguration. It’s a damn shame you’re too filled with irrational hatred and fear over a successful and pro business president. It’s going to be a long 6 plus years for you Sparky, I suggest you sit back and enjoy the ride..

 

[FLVOL69]

Uhhh no. Europe is trying to prevent Iran from pursuing nuclear research since Trump reneged on the deal. Trump is creating problems for Europe by threatening them with sanctions if they preserve the deal.

They never stopped genius, those centrifuges were on overdrive under Obama..🙄

 

[LouderVol]

I tend to love the doom and gloom brought up by folks of his posting...caliber over things like this. Remember last year how EVERYONE on the left was screeching about Trump going after North Korea?

How'd that turn out?

Or screeching about "expanding the war" in Syria with the initial missile strikes?

Interesting turn of events as of late.

Or pulling us out of the Paris Treaty would lead to global calamity?

Corporations, Cities and States are doing it voluntarily without having the federal government force them to do it.

I'd dare say we need a wait and see mentality, but that's asking far too much from some.

and that those in the Paris Accords have failed. it was the League of Nations of the Green movement.

 

[tennvols77]

We fulfilled our legal obligation to give Iran its money back with the transfer. All other "what ifs" are immaterial.

What if the deal was only done because of pay offs and bribery to government officials who were duplicitous in passing the deal when knowing full well Iran would continue on with it's goal of nuclear weapons which were being researched and trying to be developed at the military bases which just happened to be off limits to inspection? Do you still feel it was "right" to give them the money?

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Post of the day Hog. I know its early, but I chuckled. Sometimes the simply stated truth is hilarious. Thanks

 

[OuterBanksVol]

They never stopped genius, those centrifuges were on overdrive under Obama..🙄

Pure ignorant garbage dude. Show me proof that Iran violated the deal by producing nuclear material beyond what they were allowed. You can't because they didn't.