Iran nuclear program. It is a lie

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NorthDallas40 said:
That was pretty much the comment that lit the fuse on my sanitary napkin along with the continual “we suck and are always wrong as a nation” attitude.
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Oh stop it. Change out your tampon. I continue to tell you that my anger over this country is over who runs it... not the people. Just because I think we can do better as a country doesn't mean I'm anti-American. How hard is that for you to get inside that skull of yours?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Oh stop it. Change out your tampon. I continue to tell you that my anger over this country is over who runs it... not the people. Just because I think we can do better as a country doesn't mean I'm anti-American. How hard is that for you to get inside that skull of yours?
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Listen Ras if you’re gonna be so continually negative towards your own nation, whatever part of it you say you’re preaching about, you’re smart enough to know you’re gonna take some blow back on it.

You’ve definitely got a right to say whatever you want. And you generally research your topics. But you’re always 100% negative and after enough of it some who post here, like me for example right now, feel like expressing “quit yer damn *****in’ “

I’m pretty sure I haven’t replied with a “Murica, love it or leave it” tone post yet. And if I did I was wrong in doing so. (Again I was drinking yesterday). But you’re negativity graaaaaaaaaaates on people.
 

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Rasputin_Vol said:
I couldn't blame them. Whenever you say "Iran" around most Americans after 1979, they will have a negative reaction. Meanwhile, most Americans (probably 99%) will not make the connection to Mossadegh at the UK/American coup.
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Takes a lot of attaboys to make up for an aw ****. 1979 and the decades that followed are a huge aw ****. I am still waiting for the first reason to bestow an Iranian attaboy.
 
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Weezer said:
Just had a thought, I may need to apologize for a bit of hypocrisy. Though I try never to hate someone for where they are from, I do have one weakness. I really, really dislike people from Alabama. I cannot seem to overcome that particular prejudice. lol
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After a time of consistently kicking the crap out of a certain group from Tuscaloosa though, you will care much less about those people. Kind of like the way they feel about the people of Tennessee.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The modern day Iranians are not descended from those who lived there thousands of years ago. That’s just the facts.
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This simply isn’t true. Of course they’re not purely ancient Iranian. No one is purely ancient anything from 4000 years ago, of course genes mix over time. But the majority of Iranian genes still come from Iranian people. Just because there is a mixture of some Arab and Indian in Iranians doesn’t mean that they automatically lose their Iranian genes. If Arabs have overwhelming eliminated the Iranian population and replaced it with Arabs entirely, then yeah modern Iranians wouldn’t have a claim to anything from ancient Iranians because they would be Arab and not Persian. But that’s not true, at no point in history has Iranians lost their Iranian population to the point where you can’t claim they are descendants. Persians as an ethnic group have existed for thousands of years. Just because there is a percentage of Arab or Indian in the gene pool doesn’t mean eliminate their Persian history. Even if they were 55% Persian, 20% Arab, 15%Indian, and 10% whatever they would still be considered Persian. You can’t just take away they’re claim to their descendants altogether.

Unless Iranians mass migrated somewhere else, or were killed off completely and replaced by another gene pool, then it would be ludicrous to say that modern Iranians have no claim to their ancient predecessors. Just because Iranians have “Arab or Indian” blood doesn’t mean that they don’t have Iranian blood. They are still significantly more Iranian than they are Arab or Indian.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m not claiming to be anything other than mud blood Jewish. (Jewish from my great grandfather on my dads side.
You’ve never seen me claim the Jews should be in Israel because they were there 2000 years ago. Someone else was there first. But on the other hand any claim the Jews have made about their heritage has been backed up by it actually being their heritage.
If you claim that the United States has thousands of years history culture and heritage just because we live here now you’d be just as wrong as those claiming the same for the Iranians
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This is an inaccurate comparison. We completely overthrew the Native American population. Native Americans lost an extraordinary amount of their population, and was replaced in much greater numbers from immigrants from all different parts of the world.

Iranians never had this drastic of an event. Sprinkling a bit of Arab and Indian dust is not the same as wiping out a population and replacing it altogether.
 
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#782
This thread has taken a disturbing turn. We really debating racial purity here? Good grief.
 
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#786
I’ve posted enough links for you Presie.
The facts are that Iranians of today are 56% Arab and less than 4% the same as the people who lived in that land 2000 years ago.

You can make many arguments about why Iran should be treated one way or another but claiming ancient culture for the people there now isn’t one of them.
It could be worse. You could be Egyptians and find out you have no genetic link to the people who built the pyramids.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’ve posted enough links for you Presie.
The facts are that Iranians of today are 56% Arab and less than 4% the same as the people who lived in that land 2000 years ago.

You can make many arguments about why Iran should be treated one way or another but claiming ancient culture for the people there now isn’t one of them.
It could be worse. You could be Egyptians and find out you have no genetic link to the people who built the pyramids.
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Where did you get these numbers from?
 
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#794
I mean beyond the basic understanding

Parsi, also spelled Parsee, member of a group of followers in India of the Persian prophet Zoroaster. The Parsis, whose name means "Persians", are descended from Persian Zoroastrians who emigrated to India to avoid religious persecution by the Muslims.
 
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I would tend to think there is no major culture that can claim pure genetic "purity" at this point save some African tribes and perhaps those deep in the Amazon and places like that which have been isolated from serious contact with the "outside world."

Arguing over Persian genetics seems to be a bit odd considering that culture has been invaded and conquered many times throughout its history. And with that conquering, inbred with the populations that occupied the historic area Persia/Iran is today.

Like our own Native American population, it's going to be hard to find more than a smattering of pure blood inhabitants that go back that far.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I would tend to think there is no major culture that can claim pure genetic "purity" at this point save some African tribes and perhaps those deep in the Amazon and places like that which have been isolated from serious contact with the "outside world."

Arguing over Persian genetics seems to be a bit odd considering that culture has been invaded and conquered many times throughout its history. And with that conquering, inbred with the populations that occupied the historic area Persia/Iran is today.

Like our own Native American population, it's going to be hard to find more than a smattering of pure blood inhabitants that go back that far.
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Speak for yourself, I come from a genetically pure line of mutts and damn proud of it.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I am curious though
You have a Zoroaster symbol in your avatar (I believe you said that). Is there a reason you use it beyond thinking it’s cool?
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My username is Persian Vol, and it’s a symbol that is iconic for Persians. I just think it’s cool. I wasn’t going to make it a photo of ayatollah khomeini.
 
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