Iran nuclear program. It is a lie

[Rasputin_Vol]

You are brainwashed.

You are attacking me, but not the facts.

 

[Persian Vol]

You are brainwashed.

“You are being fed information that is different than the information I am being fed, therefore you are brainwashed”.

There is nothing wrong with being patriotic and believing your country is fighting for a righteous cause, but if one cannot fathom to comprehend why other individuals from other countries or within their own country think otherwise, then one will forever live in that bubble.

 

[hog88]

“You are being fed information that is different than the information I am being fed, therefore you are brainwashed”.

There is nothing wrong with being patriotic and believing your country is fighting for a righteous cause, but if one cannot fathom to comprehend why other individuals from other countries or within their own country think otherwise, then one will forever live in that bubble.

I agree and I don’t believe we need to get militarily involved but in the instance a people rise up against a despot we should support them.

Ras would support the despot.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I agree and I don’t believe we need to get militarily involved but in the instance a people rise up against a despot we should support them.

Ras would support the despot.

Ras would rather mind his own business.

 

[AM64]

“You are being fed information that is different than the information I am being fed, therefore you are brainwashed”.

There is nothing wrong with being patriotic and believing your country is fighting for a righteous cause, but if one cannot fathom to comprehend why other individuals from other countries or within their own country think otherwise, then one will forever live in that bubble.

Rather than isolationist, I'd call it leading by example. Let other peoples rise up and create change as they see fit, rather than assuming they want our way of life and imposing it through military force. Support them diplomatically. We are not capable of fixing the world. Nation building only creates new problems. In fact, many of the problems we're dealing with we helped create. Perfect example is Osama Bin Laden.

This is the point about the isolationism comment. Who picks and chooses? And history generally has a way of showing it was a wrong choice because maybe there are no right ones when it comes to foreign policy and nation building.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Its BS because you say it is BS?

Keep living like a hypocrite.

I've kept up with this since Camp David. I know the history on both sides. I've posted many links which obviously you won't read.

The Romans conquered Syria overthrew Israel, tore down the temple, dispersed the Jews. Rome called the region Syria Palestinia. A dusty, dry, dessert crossroads of Europe, Asia Minor, Asia, and Africa. It was Christianized and part of the Byzantine Empire's Eastern Orthodoxy before Mohammed. The muslims did their conquer and convert by the sword thing around the Mediterranean. Is was still nothing more than that through all the various muslim caliphates who brought in soldiers of various races from each of those continents, some of whom stayed. If America is a "melting pot" for just over half a millinia, then Syria Palistinia has a millinnia and a half on us.
There is no Palestinian people. Most now are Arabs from some where else that began to move there when the Jews started buying the land in the late 1800s for a place to live. A worldwide movement of collecting coins in jars, up to complete estates left in wills. The Jews bought the livable land, but not the arid uninhabitable wastelands and swamps from Arab landlords. WWI and ALL the Ottoman lands including Syria Palistinia/TransJordan was CONQUERED. England got it. They made a mandate that a portion was for a Jewish homeland as, being THE CONQUERERS of a BELLIGERANT AGGRESSOR they had every right to do.

The Jews have been attacked from every which way since time immemorial. But they have BOUGHT the livable lands, had the arid dessert no on "owned" but the Ottoman state, justly given them by the British. Been attacked by BELLIGERANT AGGRESSOR nations since 1947 and defeated them and CONQUERED GAZA, GOLAN, THE SINAI and what else, given some back and I don't know why when they are still attacked, and as recent as a few days ago HAMAS says penetrate border fences anyone should say they are not justified using any force necessary to defend what is theirs.

 

[AM64]

I've kept up with this since Camp David. I know the history on both sides. I've posted many links which obviously you won't read.

The Romans conquered Syria overthrew Israel, tore down the temple, dispersed the Jews. Rome called the region Syria Palestinia. A dusty, dry, dessert crossroads of Europe, Asia Minor, Asia, and Africa. It was Christianized and part of the Byzantine Empire's Eastern Orthodoxy before Mohammed. The muslims did their conquer and convert by the sword thing around the Mediterranean. Is was still nothing more than that through all the various muslim caliphates who brought in soldiers of various races from each of those continents, some of whom stayed. If America is a "melting pot" for just over half a millinia, then Syria Palistinia has a millinnia and a half on us.
There is no Palestinian people. Most now are Arabs from some where else that began to move there when the Jews started buying the land in the late 1800s for a place to live. A worldwide movement of collecting coins in jars, up to complete estates left in wills. The Jews bought the livable land, but not the arid uninhabitable wastelands and swamps from Arab landlords. WWI and ALL the Ottoman lands including Syria Palistinia/TransJordan was CONQUERED. England got it. They made a mandate that a portion was for a Jewish homeland as, being THE CONQUERERS of a BELLIGERANT AGGRESSOR they had every right to do.

The Jews have been attacked from every which way since time immemorial. But they have BOUGHT the livable lands, had the arid dessert no on "owned" but the Ottoman state, justly given them by the British. Been attacked by BELLIGERANT AGGRESSOR nations since 1947 and defeated them and CONQUERED GAZA, GOLAN, THE SINAI and what else, given some back and I don't know why when they are still attacked, and as recent as a few days ago HAMAS says penetrate border fences anyone should say they are not justified using any force necessary to defend what is theirs.

A lot of what I've read says the Jews made something of the land while Arab men sat around gossiping and their wives tended the weeds among the rocks. Further when the Jews showed and attempted to show the Arabs how it worked, they refused to listen and improve their own way of life.

 

[McDad]

I've kept up with this since Camp David. I know the history on both sides. I've posted many links which obviously you won't read.

The Romans conquered Syria overthrew Israel, tore down the temple, dispersed the Jews. Rome called the region Syria Palestinia. A dusty, dry, dessert crossroads of Europe, Asia Minor, Asia, and Africa. It was Christianized and part of the Byzantine Empire's Eastern Orthodoxy before Mohammed. The muslims did their conquer and convert by the sword thing around the Mediterranean. Is was still nothing more than that through all the various muslim caliphates who brought in soldiers of various races from each of those continents, some of whom stayed. If America is a "melting pot" for just over half a millinia, then Syria Palistinia has a millinnia and a half on us.
There is no Palestinian people. Most now are Arabs from some where else that began to move there when the Jews started buying the land in the late 1800s for a place to live. A worldwide movement of collecting coins in jars, up to complete estates left in wills. The Jews bought the livable land, but not the arid uninhabitable wastelands and swamps from Arab landlords. WWI and ALL the Ottoman lands including Syria Palistinia/TransJordan was CONQUERED. England got it. They made a mandate that a portion was for a Jewish homeland as, being THE CONQUERERS of a BELLIGERANT AGGRESSOR they had every right to do.

The Jews have been attacked from every which way since time immemorial. But they have BOUGHT the livable lands, had the arid dessert no on "owned" but the Ottoman state, justly given them by the British. Been attacked by BELLIGERANT AGGRESSOR nations since 1947 and defeated them and CONQUERED GAZA, GOLAN, THE SINAI and what else, given some back and I don't know why when they are still attacked, and as recent as a few days ago HAMAS says penetrate border fences anyone should say they are not justified using any force necessary to defend what is theirs.

Appreciate the synopsis. How accurate is it?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I've kept up with this since Camp David. I know the history on both sides. I've posted many links which obviously you won't read.

I've read that and had already know most of that before reading your posts. At this moment, however, I'm wondering what this has to do with the Iran deal...

The Romans conquered Syria overthrew Israel, tore down the temple, dispersed the Jews. Rome called the region Syria Palestinia. A dusty, dry, dessert crossroads of Europe, Asia Minor, Asia, and Africa. It was Christianized and part of the Byzantine Empire's Eastern Orthodoxy before Mohammed. The muslims did their conquer and convert by the sword thing around the Mediterranean. Is was still nothing more than that through all the various muslim caliphates who brought in soldiers of various races from each of those continents, some of whom stayed. If America is a "melting pot" for just over half a millinia, then Syria Palistinia has a millinnia and a half on us.
There is no Palestinian people.

Again, on this we can agree. Maybe you should spend your efforts educating others, because I have stated many times in here that the "Palestinians" are not just Muslims or Arabs, but Christians, Druze and other peoples that were displaced after the UN Mandate.

Still wondering what this has to do with the Iran deal though.

A worldwide movement of collecting coins in jars, up to complete estates left in wills. The Jews bought the livable land, but not the arid uninhabitable wastelands and swamps from Arab landlords. WWI and ALL the Ottoman lands including Syria Palistinia/TransJordan was CONQUERED. England got it. They made a mandate that a portion was for a Jewish homeland as, being THE CONQUERERS of a BELLIGERANT AGGRESSOR they had every right to do.

Here again, we agree, with regards to the timeline of history. I have spoken about the Sykes-Picot and Balfour agreements in length on here on several occasions.

One thing of note that we may disagree on is that the lines drawn up during the Sykes-Picot agreement were based on mainly how the UK and France would carve up the Middle East based on the Middle East assets. It had very little to do with religious, cultural or ethnic sensitivities. As a result, I contend that the carving up of the Middle East from 100 years ago has been a major hindrance in establishing peace within the region because of these arbitrarily drawn lines by the colonial powers. Those agreements were of benefit to European interests but have been of little to no benefit to the actual people in the region.

The Jews have been attacked from every which way since time immemorial. But they have BOUGHT the livable lands, had the arid dessert no on "owned" but the Ottoman state, justly given them by the British. Been attacked by BELLIGERANT AGGRESSOR nations since 1947 and defeated them and CONQUERED GAZA, GOLAN, THE SINAI and what else, given some back and I don't know why when they are still attacked, and as recent as a few days ago HAMAS says penetrate border fences anyone should say they are not justified using any force necessary to defend what is theirs.

Here is where we may vehemently disagree. After the UN Mandate, the Israelis have not been choir boys. After the Six Days War, you are correct, they did conquer Gaza, The Sinai and Golan Heights, and returned most of those spoils a decade later (except for Golan). In the process, however, Israel has thumbed its nose at international law, postured itself as though it is beyond criticism or condemnation, and has been caught instigating conflicts in the hopes of drawing in its attack dog, the United States, into many of these activities that we have no business in. In spite of returning lands conquered after the war, you still see Israel moving into Gaza and the West Bank with settlements and displacing and crippling Palestinians.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

A lot of what I've read says the Jews made something of the land while Arab men sat around gossiping and their wives tended the weeds among the rocks. Further when the Jews showed and attempted to show the Arabs how it worked, they refused to listen and improve their own way of life.

I would say that there probably is some truth in that. But keep in mind, most of those peoples were of the same lineage as the House of Saud right now. A backwards, thuggish group of Bedouin drifters. But that was not the only group that lived in the "Palestine" area. We are so quick to lump "Palestinians" with the Arab nomads, that we allow the Israelis to let us forget the other groups that were displaced.

And what really annoys me is the ignorance of most Americans with regards to the Bedouins and making a comparison of them with the Persians/Iranians. Not only was Iran a far more westernized country before we interfered with Operation Ajax, but Iran has 4000 years of rich history and culture in its favor. Meanwhile, we want to put a bunch of goat herding nomads that have no historical accomplishments and few redeeming qualities on the same level as them. These guys in the House of Saud are just 3 generations away from people that wiped their butts with sand. Had they not been sitting on oil, they would still be roaming the deserts.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Appreciate the synopsis. How accurate is it?

very

 

[Orangedogsrule]

I would say that there probably is some truth in that. But keep in mind, most of those peoples were of the same lineage as the House of Saud right now. A backwards, thuggish group of Bedouin drifters. But that was not the only group that lived in the "Palestine" area. We are so quick to lump "Palestinians" with the Arab nomads, that we allow the Israelis to let us forget the other groups that were displaced.

And what really annoys me is the ignorance of most Americans with regards to the Bedouins and making a comparison of them with the Persians/Iranians. Not only was Iran a far more westernized country before we interfered with Operation Ajax, but Iran has 4000 years of rich history and culture in its favor. Meanwhile, we want to put a bunch of goat herding nomads that have no historical accomplishments and few redeeming qualities on the same level as them. These guys in the House of Saud are just 3 generations away from people that wiped their butts with sand. Had they not been sitting on oil, they would still be roaming the deserts.

All true. And it is those nomads who helped "Lawrence of Arabia" destroy so much of the Ottoman railway which was a crucial loss for the Germans and the Central Powers to lose that line of wartime transportation.

 

[AM64]

I would say that there probably is some truth in that. But keep in mind, most of those peoples were of the same lineage as the House of Saud right now. A backwards, thuggish group of Bedouin drifters. But that was not the only group that lived in the "Palestine" area. We are so quick to lump "Palestinians" with the Arab nomads, that we allow the Israelis to let us forget the other groups that were displaced.

And what really annoys me is the ignorance of most Americans with regards to the Bedouins and making a comparison of them with the Persians/Iranians. Not only was Iran a far more westernized country before we interfered with Operation Ajax, but Iran has 4000 years of rich history and culture in its favor. Meanwhile, we want to put a bunch of goat herding nomads that have no historical accomplishments and few redeeming qualities on the same level as them. These guys in the House of Saud are just 3 generations away from people that wiped their butts with sand. Had they not been sitting on oil, they would still be roaming the deserts.

I'm very aware of the difference between Persians and Arabs, and you are right so many in the US don't have a clue. I don't consider Iran at all the same enemy as the Arab world, but currently they aren't doing much to encourage the distinction.

You can also find in reading plenty of stories of Jews and Arabs living harmony in Palestine - before the British stirred things up.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Appreciate the synopsis. How accurate is it?

Gospel truth, or as close as it gets. Israel isn't perfect, but anyone who says palestinians or anyone else is owed anything by them need a to look no further than the 6 day war.

Egypt set an illegal embargo against Israel, cutting off supplies...then every Arab neighbor attacked Israel and tried to wipe them off the map...at the same time...surprise attack...and Israel beat the sheets off of all of them, through some brass balls tank tactics and air support...conquered them all....took land...then 10 years later had given 90% of the land that was rightfully theirs now back..and these clowns still act like Is real is the bad guy.

If Mexico and Canada, and a couple others...jumped us unprovoked and tried to roll tanks into DC...we would still own their entire freaking countries. All of it. The entire north American continent.

Israel kicked all their asses...gave the land back...and now commies whine that they owe the Palestinians...who aren't even a real country or people.

The most insane bullsheet ever.


Screw the Muslims. Hope Israel lights em up again. They can't lose.

Literally, God promised it. So they got that gping for them, which is nice.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Here is where we may vehemently disagree. After the UN Mandate, the Israelis have not been choir boys. After the Six Days War, you are correct, they did conquer Gaza, The Sinai and Golan Heights, and returned most of those spoils a decade later (except for Golan). In the process, however, Israel has thumbed its nose at international law, postured itself as though it is beyond criticism or condemnation, and has been caught instigating conflicts in the hopes of drawing in its attack dog, the United States, into many of these activities that we have no business in. In spite of returning lands conquered after the war, you still see Israel moving into Gaza and the West Bank with settlements and displacing and crippling Palestinians.

When "International Law" threatens the ability of the Jewish nation to defend itself from neighboring nations whose clarion call was to "Push Israel into the sea", one can understand Israel not acquiescing to said law. They have said over and over if they are no longer attacked with violence, they will come to the table.

Virtually all muslim nations from the get go would not recognize Israel's right to exist. Many, until they got their own militaries virtually destroyed after attacking Israel, and even now they are harboring terrorists.

Israel would have been better off after the Six Day War just occupying conquered Gaza and the West Bank and evicting those who opposed them.

Tell me. Why was it especially Jordan and Syria, but including Egypt, Lebannon, well...in reality all the neighboring muslim nations accepted virtually no 'palestinian' refugees, forcing them to live in camps? They weren't 'Palestinian' with a capital P citizens. There was no palestine. The great majority of them were already citizens of those countries since there was no such thing as a nation called 'Palestine'. So why didn't they accept their own?

 

[AM64]

I've read that and had already know most of that before reading your posts. At this moment, however, I'm wondering what this has to do with the Iran deal...



Again, on this we can agree. Maybe you should spend your efforts educating others, because I have stated many times in here that the "Palestinians" are not just Muslims or Arabs, but Christians, Druze and other peoples that were displaced after the UN Mandate.

Still wondering what this has to do with the Iran deal though.


Here again, we agree, with regards to the timeline of history. I have spoken about the Sykes-Picot and Balfour agreements in length on here on several occasions.

One thing of note that we may disagree on is that the lines drawn up during the Sykes-Picot agreement were based on mainly how the UK and France would carve up the Middle East based on the Middle East assets. It had very little to do with religious, cultural or ethnic sensitivities. As a result, I contend that the carving up of the Middle East from 100 years ago has been a major hindrance in establishing peace within the region because of these arbitrarily drawn lines by the colonial powers. Those agreements were of benefit to European interests but have been of little to no benefit to the actual people in the region.


Here is where we may vehemently disagree. After the UN Mandate, the Israelis have not been choir boys. After the Six Days War, you are correct, they did conquer Gaza, The Sinai and Golan Heights, and returned most of those spoils a decade later (except for Golan). In the process, however, Israel has thumbed its nose at international law, postured itself as though it is beyond criticism or condemnation, and has been caught instigating conflicts in the hopes of drawing in its attack dog, the United States, into many of these activities that we have no business in. In spite of returning lands conquered after the war, you still see Israel moving into Gaza and the West Bank with settlements and displacing and crippling Palestinians.

Israel's only "protected" side is the Mediterranean. If Syria chose to sit up on the Golan Heights and shell Israel, then the Israelis would be stupid not to take it away and stop the carnage. It was up to Syria not to be stupid - something Syria generally has a problem with.

If we had a neighbor shelling us, I'd hope we had the common sense to do what Israel did.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

i'm out for the weekend. Heading out for a party.😁

 

[marcusluvsvols]

When "International Law" threatens the ability of the Jewish nation to defend itself from neighboring nations whose clarion call was to "Push Israel into the sea", one can understand Israel not acquiescing to said law. They have said over and over if they are no longer attacked with violence, they will come to the table.

Virtually all muslim nations from the get go would not recognize Israel's right to exist. Many, until they got their own militaries virtually destroyed after attacking Israel, and even now they are harboring terrorists.

Israel would have been better off after the Six Day War just occupying conquered Gaza and the West Bank and evicting those who opposed them.

Tell me. Why was it especially Jordan and Syria, but including Egypt, Lebannon, well...in reality all the neighboring muslim nations accepted virtually no 'palestinian' refugees, forcing them to live in camps? They weren't 'Palestinian' with a capital P citizens. There was no palestine. The great majority of them were already citizens of those countries since there was no such thing as a nation called 'Palestine'. So why didn't they accept their own?

So.much.truth.

Damn.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Gospel truth, or as close as it gets. Israel isn't perfect, but anyone who says palestinians or anyone else is owed anything by them need a to look no further than the 6 day war.

Egypt set an illegal embargo against Israel, cutting off supplies...then every Arab neighbor attacked Israel and tried to wipe them off the map...at the same time...surprise attack...and Israel beat the sheets off of all of them, through some brass balls tank tactics and air support...conquered them all....took land...then 10 years later had given 90% of the land that was rightfully theirs now back..and these clowns still act like Is real is the bad guy.

If Mexico and Canada, and a couple others...jumped us unprovoked and tried to roll tanks into DC...we would still own their entire freaking countries. All of it. The entire north American continent.

Israel kicked all their asses...gave the land back...and now commies whine that they owe the Palestinians...who aren't even a real country or people.

The most insane bullsheet ever.


Screw the Muslims. Hope Israel lights em up again. They can't lose.

Literally, God promised it. So they got that gping for them, which is nice.

Stop right there. Just to be clear, are you suggesting that an embargo is an act of war?

 

[AM64]

Stop right there. Just to be clear, are you suggesting that an embargo is an act of war?

It's not an act of friendship.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Israel's only "protected" side is the Mediterranean. If Syria chose to sit up on the Golan Heights and shell Israel, then the Israelis would be stupid not to take it away and stop the carnage. It was up to Syria not to be stupid - something Syria generally has a problem with.

If we had a neighbor shelling us, I'd hope we had the common sense to do what Israel did.

The problem is that we dont. We half arse it like in Viet nam.

Israel plays for keeps. Always. They have to. They are a 146lb all muscle marine built like a pitbull with a .45 in each back pocket. They are surrounded by 250lb thugs, but with bats and knives. The Only way they survive is burning both barrels anytime someone pulls a knife. So they do. And they win. Always. Death, that's all Arabs respect. Death.

I am glad we sell them all of our 1st gen newest and best weapons. They design and build great stuff too, check out some of their rifles and tech. The day we turn our backs on Israel will be a day I hang my head in shame. There is a reason the star of David is all over our currency. They have stood by the USA always.

I also admit that i like watching them kick the sheet out of whoever is dumb enough to attack them, they still have conscripted service and some of the best special forces in the world. We could take a few lessons from them when we actually have to engage the enemy, and I am from a military family and do not want to be the world police. Let others solve their problems. But when we do choose to get involved, throw the stinking kitchen sink at them like Israel does. They dont *****foot around like we do. They drop pamphlets for a couple days telling civilians to get out, then they try to knock down every single structure standing, destroy any ability to ever attack them again, destroy infrastructure, power stations, everything. They literally try to send people back to the stone age. Why not? Punch me in the mouth and I am going to do everything I can to make sure that you can never ever do that again. Period.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

When "International Law" threatens the ability of the Jewish nation to defend itself from neighboring nations whose clarion call was to "Push Israel into the sea", one can understand Israel not acquiescing to said law. They have said over and over if they are no longer attacked with violence, they will come to the table.

They can't play it both ways. They can't demand Iran live up to international law on one hand, and then ignore international law when it comes to them.

Virtually all muslim nations from the get go would not recognize Israel's right to exist. Many, until they got their own militaries virtually destroyed after attacking Israel, and even now they are harboring terrorists.

Let the record show that Iran has not been one of those countries that has attacked Israel, nor have they made any serious actions to go after Israel, outside of some rhetoric that many say has been dubiously twisted and mis-translated by the Israelis to rile up support for any future pre-emptive military action. The US and Saudi Arabia are of bigger concern to Iran than Israel.

Tell me. Why was it especially Jordan and Syria, but including Egypt, Lebannon, well...in reality all the neighboring muslim nations accepted virtually no 'palestinian' refugees, forcing them to live in camps? They weren't 'Palestinian' with a capital P citizens. There was no palestine. The great majority of them were already citizens of those countries since there was no such thing as a nation called 'Palestine'. So why didn't they accept their own?

Because to the fault of the Arab nations around them (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria), they choose to make the Palestinian plight a political issue. There is little to no sincerity in their alleged concern for them, else, they would take in those refugees. To take it a step further, the recent hostilities that was stirred up in Syria and Libya by the West shows just how much these Arab countries care for their people. The KSA and Arab Emirates, in particular have the wealth and resources to help those people, if they chose to do so. But again, it is all about political posturing.

Israel indeed has some blame in this, but you're not going to see me let these nations around the Palestinians off the hook, either.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It's not an act of friendship.

So can we be surprised when Japan attacks us in 1941 after we place an embargo on them?

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Stop right there. Just to be clear, are you suggesting that an embargo is an act of war?

Not necessarily, we do them as act of sanctions sometimes...my point was that they tried to completely neuter Israel before all of them surprise attacked them...and they still got their asses beat. Which by the way, Egypt could have seriously jacked them up. If not for some brass balls and great maneuvering of tanks, and I believe the hand of God Almighty, Israel would have been destroyed.

That's why it's a fool errand for these Arabs to attack them. They are a nuclear capable country, that God promised Jersusalem will not be destroyed again before Christ comes to reign on earth. They can't win. Literally. Can not destroy them. Best just leave them alone and they will leave you alone. Sadly, many Arab nations are too damn dumb to just chill out.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The problem is that we dont. We half arse it like in Viet nam.

Vietnam was not our fight to have. We never should have been over there.

Israel plays for keeps. Always. They have to. They are a 146lb all muscle marine built like a pitbull with a .45 in each back pocket. They are surrounded by 250lb thugs, but with bats and knives. The Only way they survive is burning both barrels anytime someone pulls a knife. So they do. And they win. Always. Death, that's all Arabs respect. Death.

I am glad we sell them all of our 1st gen newest and best weapons. They design and build great stuff too, check out some of their rifles and tech. The day we turn our backs on Israel will be a day I hang my head in shame. There is a reason the star of David is all over our currency. They have stood by the USA always.

The USS Liberty attack was not an example of them standing by us.

The United States has enough affairs within its own borders to concern ourselves with that we don't need to be involved in anything related to a sandbox that is halfway around the globe.

I also admit that i like watching them kick the sheet out of whoever is dumb enough to attack them, they still have conscripted service and some of the best special forces in the world. We could take a few lessons from them when we actually have to engage the enemy, and I am from a military family and do not want to be the world police. Let others solve their problems. But when we do choose to get involved, throw the stinking kitchen sink at them like Israel does. They dont *****foot around like we do. They drop pamphlets for a couple days telling civilians to get out, then they try to knock down every single structure standing, destroy any ability to ever attack them again, destroy infrastructure, power stations, everything. They literally try to send people back to the stone age. Why not? Punch me in the mouth and I am going to do everything I can to make sure that you can never ever do that again. Period.

The last time the Israelis engaged in a true ground campaign with Hezbollah in 2006, they got their heads handed to them. They are fastly becoming no different than America in that we both rely too heavily on air defense. The Israelis had better be careful if they ever want to seriously mess with those guys. But what will likely happen is that Israel will call on their attack dog (The US) to come in and do the fighting that they should be doing, no different than the KSA using the USA to fight their fight in Yemen.