Iran nuclear program. It is a lie

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Notice how it is perfectly reasonable to attack and ridicule Iranian people or their culture?
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It’s one thing to playfully tease, but it just comes off as embarrassingly ignorant when anyone makes jokes about Iran relating to sand, oil, camels, and what not. As an Iranian I have never in my entire life mentioned or heard anyone mention oil, camels, sand in a conversations relating to Iran.
 
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Persian Vol said:
It’s one thing to playfully tease, but it just comes off as embarrassingly ignorant when anyone makes jokes about Iran relating to sand, oil, camels, and what not. As an Iranian I have never in my entire life mentioned or heard anyone mention oil, camels, sand in a conversations relating to Iran.
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Oh boohoo. Jesus.
 
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There is nothing wrong with teasing a group of people or country, but you have to be educated about the group you are teasing.

There are things to tease Iranians for, but camels, sand, turbans, or whatever aren’t really appropriate things to tease about because as Iranians we really don’t find this stuff relevant to our culture enough for that to be a point of emphasis in jokes. It makes it seem like, “wow this guy doesn’t know anything about Iranians or Iran”.
 
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tumscalcium said:
I’m talking more about their weird gov.
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I think we missed a golden opportunity to support the Iranian people a few years ago in overthrowing the Mullahs. They might rise up if they thought a western power had their backs.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Like Iraq?
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The Iranian people I've met are nothing like the Iraqi people I've met. I don't think we would have had to sent troops into Iran to support an uprising just let them know we supported their efforts and would be there to help afterwards. Obama kept quite.
 
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hog88 said:
The Iranian people I've met are nothing like the Iraqi people I've met. I don't think we would have had to sent troops into Iran to support an uprising just let them know we supported their efforts and would be there to help afterwards. Obama kept quite.
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After the events of the last few days, honestly... tell me you don't think the average Iranians trust level with the US is very high right now. Tell me that you think the average Iranian thinks we will keep our word.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
After the events of the last few days, honestly... tell me you don't think the average Iranians trust level with the US is very high right now. Tell me that you think the average Iranian thinks we will keep our word.
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Yes I do.

It's not our word that is being broken since there wasn't a treaty. It's the word of a rouge POTUS who wanted an agreement for the sake of his legacy.
 
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hog88 said:
The Iranian people I've met are nothing like the Iraqi people I've met. I don't think we would have had to sent troops into Iran to support an uprising just let them know we supported their efforts and would be there to help afterwards. Obama kept quite.
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I'm guessing the Iranian people you have met live here. I Am also guessing that the ones that live there would do the exact same thing the Iraqis did after we pulled their chestnuts out of the fire and arrested Saddam. It's their problem to fix. We have done enough of this crap in the world. And I still maintain they do not want a democracy.

Sometimes a little revolution is a good thing - Marco Ramius (yes I know he's fictional)
 
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Persian Vol said:
There is nothing wrong with teasing a group of people or country, but you have to be educated about the group you are teasing.

There are things to tease Iranians for, but camels, sand, turbans, or whatever aren’t really appropriate things to tease about because as Iranians we really don’t find this stuff relevant to our culture enough for that to be a point of emphasis in jokes. It makes it seem like, “wow this guy doesn’t know anything about Iranians or Iran”.
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I'm going to keep it 100... if even a fraction of what has been posted about Iran was even said about Israel (or hell, possibly even the Saudis), these same guys would be yelling and screaming anti-Semitism. But you can attack Iranians, Africans... hell, even white people in the western world all you want.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I'm guessing the Iranian people you have met live here. I Am also guessing that the ones that live there would do the exact same thing the Iraqis did after we pulled their chestnuts out of the fire and arrested Saddam. It's their problem to fix. We have done enough of this crap in the world. And I still maintain they do not want a democracy.

Sometimes a little revolution is a good thing - Marco Ramius (yes I know he's fictional)
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I'm in no way advocating for or thought Obama should have committed troops or even air power to overthrow the Mullahs. Simply letting the people know that if they did overthrow them we would have ended the sanctions and supplied humanitarian aid, things along those lines.

Screw nation building and overthrowing governments with our troops.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm in no way advocating for or thought Obama should have committed troops or even air power to overthrow the Mullahs. Simply letting the people know that if they did overthrow them we would have ended the sanctions and supplied humanitarian aid, things along those lines.
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This the part that annoys me that most of you don't see. On the one hand you ridicule Iran for not helping themselves, but then on the other hand acknowledge that the Iranians have been under sanctions off and on since The Shah left. The Iranians have been making an effort to rebuild their infrastructure so that they can refine their own oil, yet the UK/ USA, KSA and Israel have been leading the charge to prevent this. The reason why this is done is because if the Iranians are able to get their own domestic infrastructure upgraded (electrical grid and refining capacity specifically), they could bring oil to market at the same price or cheaper than the Saudis. That does not benefit the UK, USA, the Saudis or Israel.

hog88 said:
Screw nation building and overthrowing governments with our troops.
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But that is exactly what we've done in Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Guatemala, Chile, USA, etc...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This the part that annoys me that most of you don't see. On the one hand you ridicule Iran for not helping themselves, but then on the other hand acknowledge that the Iranians have been under sanctions off and on since The Shah left. The Iranians have been making an effort to rebuild their infrastructure so that they can refine their own oil, yet the UK/ USA, KSA and Israel have been leading the charge to prevent this. The reason why this is done is because if the Iranians are able to get their own domestic infrastructure upgraded (electrical grid and refining capacity specifically), they could bring oil to market at the same price or cheaper than the Saudis. That does not benefit the UK, USA, the Saudis or Israel.



But that is exactly what we've done in Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Guatemala, Chile, USA, etc...
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Ras, blow it out your ass. We understand that you support hardline oppressive dictators who brutalize their own people to stay in power.

If a population rises up to overthrow theses POSs we should let them know we will support their desire for freedom.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This the part that annoys me that most of you don't see. On the one hand you ridicule Iran for not helping themselves, but then on the other hand acknowledge that the Iranians have been under sanctions off and on since The Shah left. The Iranians have been making an effort to rebuild their infrastructure so that they can refine their own oil, yet the UK/ USA, KSA and Israel have been leading the charge to prevent this. The reason why this is done is because if the Iranians are able to get their own domestic infrastructure upgraded (electrical grid and refining capacity specifically), they could bring oil to market at the same price or cheaper than the Saudis. That does not benefit the UK, USA, the Saudis or Israel.



But that is exactly what we've done in Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Guatemala, Chile, USA, etc...
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Honest question Ras. Assuming you have several foreign national friends how often do you apologize for being an American?
 
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hog88 said:
Ras, blow it out your ass. We understand that you support hardline oppressive dictators who brutalize their own people to stay in power.
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This entire blow up started because of me criticizing the USA's support of Shah Pahlavi. So right off the bat, you assertion is bogus.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This entire blow up started because of me criticizing the USA's support of Shah Pahlavi. So right off the bat, you assertion is bogus.
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Nope, not bogus at all. Yes we have ****ed up in the past but you will gargle the balls of any dictator or regime who opposes the US.
 
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Can I get an answer???

Rasputin_Vol said:
And besides that, if a corporation gets itself into a conflict with a foreign country, do they get to use American assets to topple the country's regime and replace it with a more favorable one?
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And again I ask, is it the US's concern to get involved in a disagreement between a corporation(s) and a foreign country?
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