Iran nuclear program. It is a lie

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Grand Vol said:
I'm not even sure why I'm explaining this to you. You'll just find another reason the US was wrong and continue blaming America for all the woes of the past hundred years every chance you get.
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Is that my fault or is it because we actually have had a piss poor foreign policy since the Spanish-American War... which BTW, was how the Philippines even became an American asset in the first place. You whine about Japan's expansionist ambitions at the time with a nation it shares a maritime border with, and yet the US has an asset that is nearly halfway around the globe.
 
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hog88 said:
They invested the money and expertise.
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That isn't the point being argued. The issue is that there wasn't a fair revenue sharing agreement with the country.

And besides that, if a corporation gets itself into a conflict with a foreign country, do they get to use American assets to topple the country's regime and replace it with a more favorable one?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Is that my fault or is it because we actually have had a piss poor foreign policy since the Spanish-American War... which BTW, was how the Philippines even became an American asset in the first place. You whine about Japan's expansionist ambitions at the time with a nation it shares a maritime border with, and yet the US has an asset that is nearly halfway around the globe.
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Loother.....is that you???
 
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Persian Vol said:
They were the ones getting screwed over from the beginning, but because they weren’t as strong or influential as Britain or America they deserve to be punished because they’re weaker?
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They weren’t getting screwed over, they could have developed their reserves on their own, paid them for development or simply followed the deal they made.

They made a bad deal then tried to renege on it. Yes, we should have stayed out of it but Iran’s leadership at the time is not blameless.
 
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hog88 said:
They made a bad deal then tried to renege on it. Yes, we should have stayed out of it but Iran’s leadership at the time is not blameless.
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And again I ask, is it the US's concern to get involved in a disagreement between a corporation(s) and a foreign country?
 
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hog88 said:
They weren’t getting screwed over, they could have developed their reserves on their own, paid them for development or simply followed the deal they made.

They made a bad deal then tried to renege on it. Yes, we should have stayed out of it but Iran’s leadership at the time is not blameless.
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Interesting...
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
So I gather Plan A is Iran comes crawling back to the US, begging for a new deal. But, Europe, China and Russia may simply keep the deal and simply press on... which leaves us where? The waters are muddied here.

And, oh, what's Plan B again?
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Plan B is to let those Euro countries who are anxious to do business with them, that are in range of their potential nuclear missiles, and Israel worry about Iran. Why is it our problem to solve? They can't hit us and we can take them out in 5 minutes with a sub. They are realizing this as we speak.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Plan B is to let those Euro countries who are anxious to do business with them, that are in range of their potential nuclear missiles, and Israel worry about Iran. Why is it our problem to solve? They can't hit us and we can take them out in 5 minutes with a sub. They are realizing this as we speak.
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Persian Vol said:
I’m not saying anyone must apologize for anything, just to acknowledge history when making judgements.
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I hear what you are saying. I just don't happen to agree with you that that makes what they did OK.


We should have kept the money. If we gave it to the hostage families, fine, but we should not have given it to the terrorist regime
 
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AM64 said:
There was never an excuse for Japanese brutality, but if we agree that it was wrong rather than something from their code of ethics (Bushido) then we also have to take a long hard look at among others the Muslim world and quit excusing their treatment of everyone else and the women in their society. There is a long list of African cultures that richly deserve some attention, too - downright elimination wouldn't even be good enough for some.
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Can't give you enough likes for this one.
 
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Vol_Doc said:
There are plenty of atrocities in our history. I don't think we have the moral high ground to be preaching to anyone, let alone trying to shape them in our image.
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I agree that we shouldn't be shaping any other country. I have always wondered why the Presidents of our country think it is our duty. Mooslims don't want democracy for example. But sorry, I am not going to be held hostage by things that happened 50 years ago, much less 150 years ago. That is just stupid.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
So I gather Plan A is Iran comes crawling back to the US, begging for a new deal. But, Europe, China and Russia may simply keep the deal and simply press on... which leaves us where? The waters are muddied here.

And, oh, what's Plan B again?
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I'm sure that as you have pointed out many times, Trump is way too stupid to have one. I am digging a fallout shelter here in coastal Florida just in case.
 
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Vol_Doc said:
There are plenty of atrocities in our history. I don't think we have the moral high ground to be preaching to anyone, let alone trying to shape them in our image.
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I'm not really disagreeing with you, but atrocious behavior is often defined by the historical period. Things we see as atrocities today were often simply the custom of the time when they happened. An example of that would be colonialism - a couple of hundred years ago most developed countries thought nothing of basically enslaving a lesser developed country and taking what they wanted or needed. Nobody outside the middle east and Africa is doing that much these days.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Plan B is to let those Euro countries who are anxious to do business with them, that are in range of their potential nuclear missiles, and Israel worry about Iran. Why is it our problem to solve? They can't hit us and we can take them out in 5 minutes with a sub. They are realizing this as we speak.
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It has amazed me for years why we jump in to solve problems that could harm the European countries that frequently destabilized the places to begin with. Let the people who cobbled together ill fitting pieces into problematic countries deal with it themselves - yeah, Britain we are looking mostly at you - and France and Germany.
 
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Persian Vol said:
The U.S. essentially sabotaged Iran’s democracy in the 50s in order to maintain the Shah as a puppet ruler.

Yet their “crappy little world” needs to fix their government?

Here is an analogy.

You carry a baby. You drop that baby. That baby grows up and is all kinds of messed up. That person tries to attack you. You slap that person and tell him to settle down. 30 Years later that person is still all kinds of messed up in the head and you are telling people that he’s bat**** crazy and it’s his problem to fix.
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So basically Iran is a messed up adult who was dropped on his head as a baby.

Sounds about right.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I agree that we shouldn't be shaping any other country. I have always wondered why the Presidents of our country think it is our duty. Mooslims don't want democracy for example. But sorry, I am not going to be held hostage by things that happened 50 years ago, much less 150 years ago. That is just stupid.
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I don't don't think anyone is holding you or anyone else hostage to the past. The point is that you act as though actions in the past don't have consequences later on... and then come back and wonder why "they hate us for our freedoms" and all of that other nonsense.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't don't think anyone is holding you or anyone else hostage to the past. The point is that you act as though actions in the past don't have consequences later on... and then come back and wonder why "they hate us for our freedoms" and all of that other nonsense.
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I don't wonder. They want to live with the boot of muhammed on their throats. And that particular pedophile told them to kill anyone that doesn't believe with them. Wonder? Nope. Not in the slightest. Now they see us as ******* for giving in to them.
 
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