Iran nuclear program. It is a lie

#278
#278
Grand Vol said:
Ras playing catch up I see.

Let me ask the collective forum a question about atomic/nuclear weapons. Should any country be allowed to develop them that sees fit to? I'm not talking about the US specifically getting involved in trying to stop it, but in the court of world opinion and policy, should any nation that wants them be allowed to withdraw from the non-proliferation treaty if they see fit without any international repercussions?
Click to expand...

I think it’s nobody’s business but their own. And frankly I’ve always felt we’re the last country to tell another they can’t have nukes. We’re the only one to ever use them.

But...if that’s the game everybody wants to play then don’t make stupid deals.

Edit: btw on us using them. If Truman didn’t use them we should have tried his ass for treason.
 
#280
#280
I don't believe it is the place of the U.S. to determine who can and cannot have nukes. What's scary about countries like N. Korea and especially Iran having nukes is it allowing them to attempt nuclear blackmail. I say especially Iran because of the fanatics in their religion. I'm not of the opinion "All Muslims are bad." I am of the opinion that some Muslims are bad though, and they will go to unbelievable extremes to do damage and harm. The idea of some fanatic using a dirty bomb to get to Heaven and his virgins scare the hell out of me. And the idea that some in the religion see these people as martyrs rather than condemning their actions... It does not bode well, imo.

Everyone wants a clear, concise understanding from a situation that is anything but clear and concise. Hell, I know the U.S. has screwed up in Iran and the entire M.E. in the past. We're not a perfect nation. But hindsight is 20/20 and nothing we do today changes what happened yesterday.
 
#281
#281
Weezer said:
I don't believe it is the place of the U.S. to determine who can and cannot have nukes. What's scary about countries like N. Korea and especially Iran having nukes is it allowing them to attempt nuclear blackmail. I say especially Iran because of the fanatics in their religion. I'm not of the opinion "All Muslims are bad." I am of the opinion that some Muslims are bad though, and they will go to unbelievable extremes to do damage and harm. The idea of some fanatic using a dirty bomb to get to Heaven and his virgins scare the hell out of me. And the idea that some in the religion see these people as martyrs rather than condemning their actions... It does not bode well, imo.

Everyone wants a clear, concise understanding from a situation that is anything but clear and concise. Hell, I know the U.S. has screwed up in Iran and the entire M.E. in the past. We're not a perfect nation. But hindsight is 20/20 and nothing we do today changes what happened yesterday.
Click to expand...

That is the problem though with Muslim countries; they are no fun. As long as they are dominated by religion, a bomb and 27 waiting virgins looks like a pretty good deal. There's not a lot of difference between a country dominated by the KGB, the Gestapo, the Inquisition, or a bunch of religious zealots (of any type). A country ruled by religious intolerance is still a totalitarian dominated country - religious intolerance and bigotry is no better than the most vicious and mindless tribal warfare.
 
#283
#283
AM64 said:
That is the problem though with Muslim countries; they are no fun. As long as they are dominated by religion, a bomb and 27 waiting virgins looks like a pretty good deal. There's not a lot of difference between a country dominated by the KGB, the Gestapo, the Inquisition, or a bunch of religious zealots (of any type). A country ruled by religious intolerance is still a totalitarian dominated country - religious intolerance and bigotry is no better than the most vicious and mindless tribal warfare.
Click to expand...

72 virgins. Don't short change them or you could end up on the wrong side of a fatwah.
 
#284
#284
Grand Vol said:
Ras playing catch up I see.

Let me ask the collective forum a question about atomic/nuclear weapons. Should any country be allowed to develop them that sees fit to? I'm not talking about the US specifically getting involved in trying to stop it, but in the court of world opinion and policy, should any nation that wants them be allowed to withdraw from the non-proliferation treaty if they see fit without any international repercussions?
Click to expand...

I'd counter with who are we to be telling the rest of the world what they can do, when we have plenty of nuclear weapons? Do as I say, not as I do? Personally, I think all nukes should be obliterated, but I'm not naive enough to think that would ever happen.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#285
#285
AM64 said:
Get rid of their wacko religion - particularly the part about it running the state, and you might be surprised how reasonable a place Iran becomes. That won't happen with their religious nut jobs running everything. But it's not our place to make that happen; so until Iranians wake up and revolt, Iran will remain a pariah.
Click to expand...

The reasonable, rational Iranians I know refuse to call themselves Iranians. They prefer the term Persians.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#286
#286
Vol_Doc said:
I'd counter with who are we to be telling the rest of the world what they can do, when we have plenty of nuclear weapons? Do as I say, not as I do? Personally, I think all nukes should be obliterated, but I'm not naive enough to think that would ever happen.
Click to expand...

I know we can make a gun argument out of this somehow.
 
#287
#287
Weezer said:
I don't believe it is the place of the U.S. to determine who can and cannot have nukes. What's scary about countries like N. Korea and especially Iran having nukes is it allowing them to attempt nuclear blackmail. I say especially Iran because of the fanatics in their religion. I'm not of the opinion "All Muslims are bad." I am of the opinion that some Muslims are bad though, and they will go to unbelievable extremes to do damage and harm. The idea of some fanatic using a dirty bomb to get to Heaven and his virgins scare the hell out of me. And the idea that some in the religion see these people as martyrs rather than condemning their actions... It does not bode well, imo.

Everyone wants a clear, concise understanding from a situation that is anything but clear and concise. Hell, I know the U.S. has screwed up in Iran and the entire M.E. in the past. We're not a perfect nation. But hindsight is 20/20 and nothing we do today changes what happened yesterday.
Click to expand...

Every religion, including Christianity, has extremist fanatics willing to do great harm. Al Qaeda and ISIL have simply bought Islam center stage.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#290
#290
Weezer said:
I don't believe it is the place of the U.S. to determine who can and cannot have nukes. What's scary about countries like N. Korea and especially Iran having nukes is it allowing them to attempt nuclear blackmail. I say especially Iran because of the fanatics in their religion. I'm not of the opinion "All Muslims are bad." I am of the opinion that some Muslims are bad though, and they will go to unbelievable extremes to do damage and harm. The idea of some fanatic using a dirty bomb to get to Heaven and his virgins scare the hell out of me. And the idea that some in the religion see these people as martyrs rather than condemning their actions... It does not bode well, imo.

Everyone wants a clear, concise understanding from a situation that is anything but clear and concise. Hell, I know the U.S. has screwed up in Iran and the entire M.E. in the past. We're not a perfect nation. But hindsight is 20/20 and nothing we do today changes what happened yesterday.
Click to expand...

The media/Hollywood has the average American spooked into believing that getting a nuclear weapon is as easy as getting one off the shelf at Walmart. They prey on our ignorance and throw out the word "nuclear" and giggle like school girls as they watch us panic and throw away our credibility and civil liberties for the sake of safety and security.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#291
#291
Rasputin_Vol said:
The media/Hollywood has the average American spooked into believing that getting a nuclear weapon is as easy as getting one off the shelf at Walmart. They prey on our ignorance and throw out the word "nuclear" and giggle like school girls as they watch us panic and throw away our credibility and civil liberties for the sake of safety and security.
Click to expand...

So we shouldn't worry that nuclear proliferation creates more opportunity for crazies to get their hands on devices or material that could cause great harm?
 
#292
#292
Weezer said:
So we shouldn't worry that nuclear proliferation creates more opportunity for crazies to get their hands on devices or material that could cause great harm?
Click to expand...

You can worry all you want. Knock yourself out. I used to be just like you 8-10 years ago. At this point, there is far too much evidence that worst case scenario, Iran would have nuclear weapons ambitions for a defensive measure and prevent an attack from Israel or the US. The flipside of that is that they still need nuclear power to enhance their electrical grid, which would allow them to refine their own oil and bring it to market just as cheap, if not cheaper, than the Saudis. Iran with its large reserves plus the ability to bring cheap oil on the market is not something that is desirable for certain interests.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#293
#293
Rasputin_Vol said:
You can worry all you want. Knock yourself out. I used to be just like you 8-10 years ago. At this point, there is far too much evidence that worst case scenario, Iran would have nuclear weapons ambitions for a defensive measure and prevent an attack from Israel or the US. The flipside of that is that they still need nuclear power to enhance their electrical grid, which would allow them to refine their own oil and bring it to market just as cheap, if not cheaper, than the Saudis. Iran with its large reserves plus the ability to bring cheap oil on the market is not something that is desirable for certain interests.
Click to expand...

It's not Iran itself using nukes that scares me. As a country, it just wouldn't be a prudent thing to do. And let's be honest, it's never leaders themselves who end up wearing a suicide vest. No, what worries me is how effective their security would be against the fanatics of their own religion looking to make a statement. Will they be able to protect nuclear material and keep it out of the hands of such fanatics?
 
#294
#294
Vol_Doc said:
Every religion, including Christianity, has extremist fanatics willing to do great harm. Al Qaeda and ISIL have simply bought Islam center stage.
Click to expand...

You do not know the difference and have no understanding as shown by your attempt to equate the two.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#295
#295
Weezer said:
It's not Iran itself using nukes that scares me. As a country, it just wouldn't be a prudent thing to do. And let's be honest, it's never leaders themselves who end up wearing a suicide vest. No, what worries me is how effective their security would be against the fanatics of their own religion looking to make a statement. Will they be able to protect nuclear material and keep it out of the hands of such fanatics?
Click to expand...

Pakistan couldn't stop their own scientist (and Army generals?) from disseminating nuclear bomb science to North Korea, Libya, and other rogue states. Why should Iran be different?

Rubies for Nukes: A.Q. Khan Says North Korea Bribed Pakistani Military for Weapons Secrets | TIME.com

Abdul Qadeer Khan is tired of being a scapegoat. The controversial father of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb shared hi-tech secrets and equipment with a host of rogue regimes — including North Korea and Muammar Gaddafi’s Libya — earning himself international notoriety and a 2005 TIME magazine cover that dubbed him “the Merchant of Menace.” In 2004, Khan appeared on Pakistani national television, confessing that he had run a ring that smuggled nuclear technology... sic ...
an embittered Khan now seems bent on exploding that image. Last week, in an interview with the German publication Der Spiegel, he rounded on Musharraf and the Pakistani military, claiming he was “stabbed in the back by the very people who benefited most from my work — i.e., the army.”
 
#296
#296
Orangedogsrule said:
You do not know the difference and have no understanding as shown by your attempt to equate the two.
Click to expand...

Are you suggesting fanatics don't exist in Christianity? If you are, I disagree. Do they run as rampant as they appear to do in Islam? It certainly doesn't seem so, but to suggest no crazy people exist in Christianity would be a completely false statement.
 
#297
#297
Does Trumps withdrawal from the Iranian agreement make us safer?

Will Iran be more or less likely now to resume nuclear research? If you say less, what's going to stop them from doing so?

Is this situation a concern? If yes, what is Trump's plan to fix It?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#299
#299
OuterBanksVol said:
Does Trumps withdrawal from the Iranian agreement make us safer?

Will Iran be more or less likely now to resume nuclear research? If you say less, what's going to stop them from doing so?

Is this situation a concern? If yes, what is Trump's plan to fix It?
Click to expand...

They never stopped, to believe otherwise is naive
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#300
#300
OuterBanksVol said:
Does Trumps withdrawal from the Iranian agreement make us safer?

Will Iran be more or less likely now to resume nuclear research? If you say less, what's going to stop them from doing so?

Is this situation a concern? If yes, what is Trump's plan to fix It?
Click to expand...

Does it make us any safer? No. Does it make us less safe? No. You'll be hard pressed to convince me Iran actually gave up nuclear research even with a treaty in place. Iran is always a concern in the M.E. I'm not sure there's anything anyone can do, but I do feel Obama's deal was a paper dragon that accomplished little to nothing. JMO, of course.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement

Back
Top