Which new SEC HC will have the most success...

Which SEC HC will have the most success....

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#51
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jasonvol18 said:
I'm with you on Mullen. I'm not sure he's a strong enough of a recruiter to start with, but he could prove me wrong.Contrary to things I've read on here, I don't see the Mullen being a QB guru talk. Take away 2 yrs he had Dak, his pass offense has been at best average. Since Dak they have been like #91 and #116 in pass offense. Fitzgerald got worse as a passer from 2016-2017 to 2017-2018. That's when he should be taking that next step and he hasn't. Guess we will see how Frank's and Fields look under him, but I just don't see it.
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I agree and his record vs LSU and Bama is concerning. Yeah, talent differences and all, but if somehow you're the better coach, don't you get a few upsets? Especially against Les and LSU?

He's a good coach. Steady 8, maybe 9 win guy. That's not enough in Gainesville.

Jimbo might run into the same situation in College Station, but I think he can win there. Especially after Saban steps down. 10 wins, which is very doable with his resume and LSU being down, will buy him some time.
 
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McDad said:
He and Fisher are most proven.

He walked into a better fit, imo. UF defense always good. Mullen puts his signature on the offense and they will be competitive. He has unknows and transition just like everyone else, but especially with UF recruiting, he will do very well, imo.
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This is right on. Last year’s UF defense was the worst in a couple of decades yet it was still 31st nationally in total defense.

When Mullen gets the offense going, Florida will be 10+ wins yearly again and competing for the SEC east yearly. Hell, Florida won back to back SEC east titles in 15 and 16 with offense ranked in the 100’s. That’s almost impossible.
 
#53
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jasonvol18 said:
Contrary to things I've read on here, I don't see the Mullen being a QB guru talk. Take away 2 yrs he had Dak.
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Nobody has a better “QB guru” resume’ than Mullen. At Utah he developed Alex Smith, who was selected #1 overall and has been in the NFL for over a decade now. At Florida he managed to excel with Chris Leak at QB. Leak was a pure dropback passer, yet Mullen managed and developed him in national championship winning QB. Tim Tebow; titles, Heisman, record-shattering domination, etc. On to Miss State, he develops Dak Prescott into a near-Heisman winner, and was working wonders on Fitzgerald. That’s five totally different QB’s in about a 10-year span.

He’ll find one, or several, at Florida, and when he does, watch out.
 
#54
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UTwild82 said:
I agree and his record vs LSU and Bama is concerning. Yeah, talent differences and all, but if somehow you're the better coach, don't you get a few upsets? Especially against Les and LSU?

He's a good coach. Steady 8, maybe 9 win guy. That's not enough in Gainesville.

Jimbo might run into the same situation in College Station, but I think he can win there. Especially after Saban steps down. 10 wins, which is very doable with his resume and LSU being down, will buy him some time.
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Jimbo really has no excuse to not win at A'M. He atleast needs to be competitive against Saban. Hell even Sumlin beat Saban once. Jimbo has elite facilities, a university with deep pockets and a very fertile recruit ground. Long as Orgeron is at LSU and Malzahn at Auburn, Jimbo should Atleast finish 2nd most years till Saban leaves.He really needs to beat him atleast once.

I agree, better coaching can level out the playing field vs more talented team's. Mullens best team in Starkville when they went 6-2 in qconfer, had the team to beat Ala. Think they started 9-0, beat AU and LSU then struggled against Ala. They ended up losing 3 of their last 4. He's padded his overall record playing really bad non conference games most yrs and would lose games he shouldn't have year in and out. I'm with you, I don't see him being more than an 8-9 win coach at Fla most yrs. It will hinge on how he's able to recruit down there. Flor hasn't recruited at an elite level in a while so it's definitely not guaranteed he will. Mullen has never had the reputation as an elite recruiter so he needs guys around him who are.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
I don't think Florida's roster is much better than TN's. Fla hasn't had a top 10 class since 2014 and looked just as dysfunctional as we did last yr. Their QB situation is also an issue like ours. I'm not as sold on Mullen being able to recruit well enough or win at UF. As McElwain showed, it's not a given that you can get elite classes to Fla. McElwain wasn't a strong recruiter and Mullen doesn't have that reputation either. Not saying he won't, but be has to prove that he can. He's not the most personable guy so he will need elite recruiters around him. I could definitely be way off but it wouldn't surprise me if JP had the most successful first season. It could come down to who wins the TN/Fla game, which I think TN wins in Neyland. I really have no clue what A'M has returning for Jimbo. Just my opinion, which is usually wrong more than its right. Lol
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Florida's recruiting classes have trended downward over the last 4 years to 11, while UT's have trended upward to 20; all-in-all Mullen has better talent at this point, especially given the development issues Butch caused during his tenure.

Like it or not Mullen is a seasoned head coach who has proven that he can do more with less at a school that isn't easy to recruit. None of us know anything about Pruitt as a program leader or a game day HC; even with coke-bottle-thick orange-tinted glasses, there's no reason to expect UT to be in a better situation than Florida in 2018.
 
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How can this be a question on the VN Board! Of course I have to go for Pruitt... Anything other would be settling for mediocrity!

GO VOLS! GO BIG ORANGE! 🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊
 
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BeardedVol said:
Florida's recruiting classes have trended downward over the last 4 years to 11, while UT's have trended upward to 20; all-in-all Mullen has better talent at this point, especially given the development issues Butch caused during his tenure.

Like it or not Mullen is a seasoned head coach who has proven that he can do more with less at a school that isn't easy to recruit. None of us know anything about Pruitt as a program leader or a game day HC; even with coke-bottle-thick orange-tinted glasses, there's no reason to expect UT to be in a better situation than Florida in 2018.
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If you average out the last 4 yrs classes TN is slightly above Florida's. TN's ranking average is 13.75 over the 4 yrs, Florida's is 14.5. You're right, we have no idea what to expect of JP until he coach's some games. But we also have no idea what Mullen can do at a high pressure job where he has to recruit at an elite level. So there questions on both sides and neither has a dominant roster over the other if you base it off recruiting classes. We really won't know till the games are played.
 
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gunner said:
Fisher has a ring largely due to Winston. Mullen has no trophies, but he has done more with less. Fisher has done less with much more.
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Winston was a big part of it but Fla St had a really good defense and play makers on offense too. That was a really good Fla St team.i agree though, Jimbo has done a lot less with more.
 
#61
#61
To answer the question I think Mullen, I'm hopin Pruitt....Mullen I think has an easier path.
 
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#63
checkerboards09 said:
Gonna be a lot of disappointed folks when it comes to Mullen. Way overhyped.
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Decent QB coach, and a very average recruiter but that's all that the Gators really need with all that talent in his backyard every year.

The key to his success at Florida will be determined by his defense as I expect his offense to be more than adequate and explosive at times.
 
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gunner said:
Fisher has a ring largely due to Winston. Mullen has no trophies, but he has done more with less. Fisher has done less with much more.
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I agree with this. Jimbo will be exposed at College Station. T A&M is a school a lot like UT and UF. If you're not producing or close to producing NC teams, you're not going to be there much longer than one contract if that long. I have doubts Jimbo is around for four seasons with the Aggies.
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed, i took it as year one, so i picked mullen. it's an 8 win schedule for them. long game, i do think Pruitt has the opportunity to best the rest.....
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I also took it as the first year, so I picked jimbo. I believe overall, Pruitt has the drive to be the best of the best, a few years from now.
 
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I don’t know about Mullen. He seemed to be the “it” candidate for many. While I don’t pretend to have that many insights into these coaches, I ended up feeling like it was a good thing for us to NOT end up with Mullen. Just never got a great vibe about him. Plus, anyone that chooses to be at Florida is always questionable from an ethics and character perspective in my book. HA!

I kid, I kid . . . sort of.

GO VOLS!
 
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#67
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Jimbo is probably in the best position with some decent talent left by sumlin---plus, he can coach offense.
 
#68
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Remy said:
I agree with this. Jimbo will be exposed at College Station. T A&M is a school a lot like UT and UF. If you're not producing or close to producing NC teams, you're not going to be there much longer than one contract if that long. I have doubts Jimbo is around for four seasons with the Aggies.
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They better hope more than 4 since they signed him to a 10 yr contract. A'M really should be up there with Ala in the West every year. They have the facility, money, fan base and a fertile recruiting ground. He's an elite recruiter so getting players shouldn't be hard. Just a matter of how his personality adapts to that area.
 
#69
#69
Chad F said:
I don’t know about Mullen. He seemed to be the “it” candidate for many. While I don’t pretend to have that many insights into these coaches, I ended up feeling like it was a good thing for us to NOT end up with Mullen. Just never got a great vibe about him. Plus, anyone that chooses to be at Florida is always questionable from an ethics and character perspective in my book. HA!

I kid, I kid . . . sort of.

GO VOLS!
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I don't think Mullen could have recruited regionally enough to win at TN. Our HC has to be an elite recruiter and surround himself with other elite recruiters. Mullen and Leach would have been bad hires at TN. Neither is a great recruiter and Leach couldn't have put together a good enough staff.
 
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#1ManningFan said:
I think Pruitt will. Why? Because he's surrounded himself with great coaches and staff. Also, he's a great coach that understands the coaching aspect of the game with technique and fundamentals. He understands the job and pressure that comes with being UT new head man. Pruitt understands the SEC landscape and what's needed to win at a high level. Lastly, he has Fulmer in his corner.
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Though I am giving Fulmer the benefit of the doubt, I am going to wait and see before I vote for him as new AD of the year. The rest of your points give me reason to hope though.

However, I am waiting to see if some of the feuding jackass donors/administrators/ect known and unknown manage to cause enough turmoil to distract the efforts. Something about demoting a chancellor with poor communication skills and assigning them to teach communications tells me they could screw up a 2 car funeral procession.

That is why I am at this moment leaning toward Moorhead or Mullin having slightly more success in year 1. But long term, I am holding out hope for Pruitt.
 
#71
#71
McDad said:
Agreed. Mullen has higher expectations and more pressure than JP. If both take years to get rolling, DM's seat wiil be far hotterthan JP's.
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No. Anyone who thinks the pressure in Knoxville will be any lower is delusional. Patience comes in many colors, but not in Tennessee orange. Many who sang Fulmer's praises and screamed for his return will be the first to grab pitchforks and light the torches because he brought in an Alabama guy to further undermine the program.

This team needs at least to play competently and stay reasonably healthy. Otherwise, it gets ugly quickly.
 
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TNnative said:
No. Anyone who thinks the pressure in Knoxville will be any lower is delusional. Patience comes in many colors, but not in Tennessee orange. Many who sang Fulmer's praises and screamed for his return will be the first to grab pitchforks and light the torches because he brought in an Alabama guy to further undermine the program.

This team needs at least to play competently and stay reasonably healthy. Otherwise, it gets ugly quickly.
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Yeah, I think this is right.

Expectations are super high at both Tennessee and Florida. Any program that has won national championships has a fan base who are willing to live with nothing less than getting back there again.

It would be hard to measure any meaningful difference in the expectations at the two schools. Both want championships. Pronto, mister, pronto. And not just one and done, either: sustained excellence is what we seek.

No pressure there, right? :)
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
Moorehead will probably have the most early success but I'm with Pruitt for the long term!

Mullen is a great hire. Chad will be if he can recruit better. Not so sure about Jimbo after the way his FSU team fell apart with all that talent.
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According to this it should be Pruitt.

Ranking the SEC's Football Rosters for 2018

Trendy pick is Moorhead. State returning 17 starters from last year.
 
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