Pope: There Is No Hell

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#101
therealUT said:
It doesn't mean the same. It means that only God has the power to forgive sins. That he chooses to share that power is significant. But, men can't forgive sins without God forgiving the sins. That's the official stance of the Catholic Church.
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Loophole.

Really, I don’t care. If Catholicism gives you peace and what you need great. WTF am I to judge?
 
#102
#102
hog88 said:
Does it matter?
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It does. Dogma is something the Catholic Church thinks is unerringly and eternally true. Doctrine is a set of hard rules that cannot be amended easily (think of Constitutional amendments). Then there are rules that can be changed with ease (this is why the language of the Mass can be changed very quickly and easily by a Bishop).

If you are charging the Church with some grievance, you should at least do the work to see how committed the church is to this issue being true and right.
 
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therealUT said:
I'm not Catholic, but I don't accuse the Church of things based on misinterpretations.
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Again, I’m pretty much against all forms of organized religion. I think every damn one of them has perverted God’s (open to interpretation) word for their own benefit.

But I do believe in God.
 
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hog88 said:
Again, I’m pretty much against all forms of organized religion. I think every damn one of them has perverted God’s (open to interpretation) word for their own benefit.

But I do believe in God.
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Do you believe God intended for us to serve Him and worship Him in specific ways?
 
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hog88 said:
Again, I’m pretty much against all forms of organized religion. I think every damn one of them has perverted God’s (open to interpretation) word for their own benefit.

But I do believe in God.
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I certainly believe that many humans have, and always will, misinterpreted religious texts in order to exploit others.

That said, with regard to Catholic Dogma, that which the Catholic Church believes to be unerringly and eternally true, which tenets would you say are misinterpretations and, of those misinterpretations, which would you say were for the benefit of the humans who misinterpreted the Bible in such a way?

In case you are unfamiliar with Catholic Dogma, I will provide the entire Dogma below, that is, all of the things one must believe as unerringly true in order to be an actual Catholic:

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

NB: Note that in the final paragraph, "catholic" is not capitalized; i.e., it is not, there, a proper noun. Thus, the first sentence of the final paragraph is equivalent to:

"I believe in one, universal and apostolic Church"

The Credo encompasses all the fundamental Catholic beliefs and belief in the Credo is sufficient for Catholicism.

The rest of the Catholic Church is at the level of Doctrine and below.
 
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McDad said:
Do you believe God intended for us to serve Him and worship Him in specific ways?
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Good question, one that is hard for me to answer.

I don’t think he cares how we worship him as long as we believe in him and accept him.

As for serving him, that’s a tough one. I’ve always thought that he wanted us to live good and just lives the best we can. Now good and just means (for me) not squander the gifts he has given us, treat others fairly and with respect and of course the biggies no rapping, robbing or murdering.
 
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hog88 said:
Good question, one that is hard for me to answer.

I don’t think he cares how we worship him as long as we believe in him and accept him.

As for serving him, that’s a tough one. I’ve always thought that he wanted us to live good and just lives the best we can. Now good and just means (for me) not squander the gifts he has given us, treat others fairly and with respect and of course the biggies no rapping, robbing or murdering.
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apevol said:
Unrelated..

I'm curious if you can read/speak much arabic.
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I definitely cannot read it. I learned enough to say and understand some common phrases a decade ago. Haven't practiced it since. Still remember how to tell someone I have no money.
 
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therealUT said:
Still remember how to tell someone I have no money.
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therealUT said:
Easy to call out the Catholic Church by misinterpreting the Church.
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It’s what many Protestants do. Grew up in the Bible Belt and one small Catholic Church. It’s amazing how much they preach how everyone else is wrong and they are right. Which of the 400+ Protestant denominations are right? Anyone?

A priest told a great story during a homily one Sunday. When his Pentecostal grandmother found out he was going to become a priest, she said, “We are all trying to get to the same place; we’re just on different trains.”

I judge by some responses in this thread that some believe their train is THE only train and they’re waging their finger at the other trains. The humility is deafening. (Blue font)
 
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therealUT said:
I definitely cannot read it. I learned enough to say and understand some common phrases a decade ago. Haven't practiced it since. Still remember how to tell someone I have no money.
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One of the more beautiful written languages I've come across.

I made a half hearted attempt to learn, but my resources were all college aged girls in desperate need of affection. Never ends well.

Before I die I'd like to be able to read the quran in arabic.
 
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CABVOL said:
It’s what many Protestants do. Grew up in the Bible Belt and one small Catholic Church. It’s amazing how much they preach how everyone else is wrong and they are right. Which of the 400+ Protestant denominations are right? Anyone?

A priest told a great story during a homily one Sunday. When his Pentecostal grandmother found out he was going to become a priest, she said, “We are all trying to get to the same place; we’re just on different trains.”

I judge by some responses in this thread that some believe their train is THE only train and they’re waging their finger at the other trains. The humility is deafening. (Blue font)
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Or that Jesus is the engine and most denominations are cars in the train.
 
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apevol said:
One of the more beautiful written languages I've come across.

I made a half hearted attempt to learn, but my resources were all college aged girls in desperate need of affection. Never ends well.

Before I die I'd like to be able to read the quran in arabic.
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I have a beautiful Quran in Arabic that I've had some friends of mine read to me and then translate into very poetic English.
 
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therealUT said:
I have a beautiful Quran in Arabic that I've had some friends of mine read to me and then translate into very poetic English.
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I remember. Thats why I asked.

But every time an arabic speaker tries to tell me something they consider important to conveying what would capture their frame of mind, it always comes down to 'I wish you spoke arabic'
 
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apevol said:
I remember. Thats why I asked.

But every time an arabic speaker tries to tell me something they consider important to conveying what would capture their frame of mind, it always comes down to 'I wish you spoke arabic'
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I've had a few Arabic friends try to teach me to read it. It's a lot like playing the piano. I'll get into it for a handful of months, be able to read and follow the passages, then just trail off for six months. Then start over, retaining only a tiny bit.

However, since moving back to Kansas City, there have been less Arabs to hang out with. I don't think I've looked at any Arabic text in at least two or three years.

It was fun, though. I think to learn a language with a completely different set of characters, you should learn it with someone and learn it through their religious texts. It leads to great conversations and they will usually feel more impassioned and excited to teach you.
 
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therealUT said:
I've had a few Arabic friends try to teach me to read it. It's a lot like playing the piano. I'll get into it for a handful of months, be able to read and follow the passages, then just trail off for six months. Then start over, retaining only a tiny bit.

However, since moving back to Kansas City, there have been less Arabs to hang out with. I don't think I've looked at any Arabic text in at least two or three years.

It was fun, though. I think to learn a language with a completely different set of characters, you should learn it with someone and learn it through their religious texts. It leads to great conversations and they will usually feel more impassioned and excited to teach you.
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Few languages are so dominated by their respective religious texts as arabic is.

But I don't think arabic should be approached as only having importance because of islam.

I remember someone telling me some crazy **** about arabic currently uses only about 20% of its total complexity, and only poets and religious scholars really have any concept of the scope the written language entails.

Its very difficult to pick up from random people, because the arabic spoken in one corner of KSA is very different from another region, let alone Egypt vs Iraq, etc
 
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