Pope: There Is No Hell

#126
#126
apevol said:
Few languages are so dominated by their respective religious texts as arabic is.

But I don't think arabic should be approached as only having importance because of islam.

I remember someone telling me some crazy **** about arabic currently uses only about 20% of its total complexity, and only poets and religious scholars really have any concept of the scope the written language entails.

Its very difficult to pick up from random people, because the arabic spoken in one corner of KSA is very different from another region, let alone Egypt vs Iraq, etc
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I think Arabic is a lot like Chinese, in that the vast majority of those fluent in Arabic cannot neither read nor write most of what they can speak and understand audibly.

It's kind of sad, because there are some really fantastic Arabic poets.
 
#127
#127
therealUT said:
I think Arabic is a lot like Chinese, in that the vast majority of those fluent in Arabic cannot neither read nor write most of what they can speak and understand audibly.

It's kind of sad, because there are some really fantastic Arabic poets.
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And the majority of non arabic muslims memorize, but never actually learn passages from the quran in arabic.
 
#132
#132
therealUT said:
I certainly believe that many humans have, and always will, misinterpreted religious texts in order to exploit others.

That said, with regard to Catholic Dogma, that which the Catholic Church believes to be unerringly and eternally true, which tenets would you say are misinterpretations and, of those misinterpretations, which would you say were for the benefit of the humans who misinterpreted the Bible in such a way?

In case you are unfamiliar with Catholic Dogma, I will provide the entire Dogma below, that is, all of the things one must believe as unerringly true in order to be an actual Catholic:

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

NB: Note that in the final paragraph, "catholic" is not capitalized; i.e., it is not, there, a proper noun. Thus, the first sentence of the final paragraph is equivalent to:

"I believe in one, universal and apostolic Church"

The Credo encompasses all the fundamental Catholic beliefs and belief in the Credo is sufficient for Catholicism.

The rest of the Catholic Church is at the level of Doctrine and below.
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I was raised in the Episcopal Church and we said this.
 
#137
#137
therealUT said:
I've had a few Arabic friends try to teach me to read it. It's a lot like playing the piano. I'll get into it for a handful of months, be able to read and follow the passages, then just trail off for six months. Then start over, retaining only a tiny bit.

However, since moving back to Kansas City, there have been less Arabs to hang out with. I don't think I've looked at any Arabic text in at least two or three years.

It was fun, though. I think to learn a language with a completely different set of characters, you should learn it with someone and learn it through their religious texts. It leads to great conversations and they will usually feel more impassioned and excited to teach you.
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I think I'd probably be more interested in your interactions when you were actually there. But I assume thatd be more limited.
 
#143
#143
golfballs said:
So you might as well dance and drink that likker
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They already do. It’s just hide it in the back of the cabinet. Methodists keep theirs in the front of the cabinet. We heathen Catholics keep ours on the counter. I mean, we are alcoholics and such. That grape juice doesn’t cut it.
 
#145
#145
CABVOL said:
They already do. It’s just hide it in the back of the cabinet. Methodists keep theirs in the front of the cabinet. We heathen Catholics keep ours on the counter. I mean, we are alcoholics and such. That grape juice doesn’t cut it.
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I could teach you catholics a thing or two about guilt.
 
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