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Vols4us said:
The mystery of all this will unravel when some folks that like to research start digging deeper. A lot of what was said in this release will have ties to other documents and releases. IMO, Ziti is right on target with the Haslam/Currie tie. I have already posted numerous articles about Haslam's ties and man love for Schiano. A lot of it flows through OSU and Jimmy's ties with his NFL cronies. Currie is nothing but a flunky who aligned with Haslam back when he was in the UTAD previously. Blackburn and Fulmer were aligned differently. Personally, I think Jimmy Haslam thinks the world he is in now is far superior to UT and his roots. He would sell us out in a second after the Pilot criminal trial meltdown.

Which leads back to Brother Bill potentially becoming UT President and the attempt to reduce the BOT size and appointment process. Vote wisely for Governor in November. It's their natural move to reassert control over UT, which would continue to make the school subservient.
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I believe you may be right but I'm surprised there hasn't been any emails or texts between curry and Haslam that I've seen. Has anyone else seen any?
 
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UTProf said:
Interesting message from Bob Shoop (he mentions WINNING CULTURE twice):

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Incoming 11/22/2017 11:22(UTC+0) From:**Bob Shoop John,
I know you are busy. After speaking with you Sunday, I hope you got a feel for the type of man
I am. I strongly believe in a Winning culture, and being passionate, tough and possessing a
TEAM first mindset. I feel I've grown from all my experiences both positive n negative. I'm
interested in exploring the opportunity to be the Head Coach at Holy Cross. Maura n I have
family there. We are strong Catholics. And the opportunity to work at a school with a unique
blend of academics n athletics in a faith based environment, create a WINNING CULTURE and
impact a community is appealing to me.
They reached out to me‐‐but I was wondering if you would be comfortable calling Nate Pine
and speaking on my behalf. His number is ----------. Your help is appreciated.
Bob
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Would reinforce the speculation that he and Butch didn’t exactly gel. Don’t think Bob was a big fan.
 
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#1,778
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Holy hell. I just reached the part where Currie is talking to Dan Wolken and asking for PR help. He's like a minute or two into talking with him when Vol Twitter blows his phone up begging him not to hire a pedo enabler and threatening to sever ties if he does. Anyone who thinks Schiano's past at PSU wasn't at the forefront of things (why it got so bad so quickly) needs to read these messages!
 
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UTProf said:
Interesting message from Bob Shoop (he mentions WINNING CULTURE twice):

Instant
Messages
Incoming 11/22/2017 11:22(UTC+0) From:**Bob Shoop John,
I know you are busy. After speaking with you Sunday, I hope you got a feel for the type of man
I am. I strongly believe in a Winning culture, and being passionate, tough and possessing a
TEAM first mindset. I feel I've grown from all my experiences both positive n negative. I'm
interested in exploring the opportunity to be the Head Coach at Holy Cross. Maura n I have
family there. We are strong Catholics. And the opportunity to work at a school with a unique
blend of academics n athletics in a faith based environment, create a WINNING CULTURE and
impact a community is appealing to me.
They reached out to me‐‐but I was wondering if you would be comfortable calling Nate Pine
and speaking on my behalf. His number is ----------. Your help is appreciated.
Bob
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That would've been good for Shoop.
 
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I would have liked to see UT settle for less. We held the best hand. At some point, UT is going to have to stop giving golden parachutes to incompetents who should've been fired for cause.
 
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LA Vol said:
I would have liked to see UT settle for less. We held the best hand. At some point, UT is going to have to stop giving golden parachutes to incompetents who should've been fired for cause.
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I would imagine the cost benefit analysis says to settle. Attorney fees for depositions etc in what would be a long long long drawn out battle would begin to mount up. It’s simply a nuisance offer. I do it all the time with my job. Sucks sometimes when they don’t deserve the money but is what it is
 
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BigZiti09 said:
How freaking dumb is Paul Johnson??

You just lost to the bozo we are firing in our worst season ever and you want us to hire you? Wake up you clown!
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Surprised I was the first one to like this. Minus the “worst season ever”, that second sentence probably indicated to Johnson that he had a great shot.
 
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Sleegro said:
I believe you may be right but I'm surprised there hasn't been any emails or texts between curry and Haslam that I've seen. Has anyone else seen any?
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Which is proof it was happening, besides other things we know. Look the guy was linked to Hamilton's hip doing fund raising as an assistant AD here. Hamilton was linked to Big Jim's and Jimmy's hips. Charlie and Thunder have always been the counter balances.

But the answer is he used a different phone - not a UTK phone.
 
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jordan4vols said:
I would imagine the cost benefit analysis says to settle. Attorney fees for depositions etc in what would be a long long long drawn out battle would begin to mount up. It’s simply a nuisance offer. I do it all the time with my job. Sucks sometimes when they don’t deserve the money but is what it is
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It was more politics than nuisance money in this one. You can tell UT was laying the groundwork for termination for cause. But discovery would have inconvenienced and embarrassed some important people who emphatically did not want to be inconvenienced or embarrassed. Currie would have faced exposure, too. Litigation could have been career suicide for him. It wasn't a bad settlement, but I'm confident it could have been settled for less, had there not been pressure to settle it quickly.
 
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Vols4us said:
Which is proof it was happening, besides other things we know. Look the guy was linked to Hamilton's hip doing fund raising as an assistant AD here. Hamilton was linked to Big Jim's and Jimmy's hips. Charlie and Thunder have always been the counter balances.

But the answer is he used a different phone - not a UTK phone.
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Yep. I doubt you'll find much of a trail to a few others, either.
 
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LA Vol said:
I would have liked to see UT settle for less. We held the best hand. At some point, UT is going to have to stop giving golden parachutes to incompetents who should've been fired for cause.
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I just want us to stop settling for less. Jeebus. We spend more than almost anyone one facilities and recruiting yet we seem determined to go cheap on the least expensive component of the equation, staff salary. I gurandamtee you that if we'd just let it be known we were willing to pay up to $10 million a year for a recent BCS or Super Bowl winning coach we would not have Pruitt under contract.
 
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I just typed this all up in the Wanya thread. Wondering what you all think of our OL over the last decade. Plus I obviously want attention by cross-posting this within 10 minutes.

OL Performance to my reckonin' over the last 10 years:

2008-- hard to gauge, with the last ditch effort to flip from a pro-style to the Clawfense.. But we can definitely say it wasn't successful. Best OL Player: Ramon Foster

2009-- The Kiffin year. Went back to pro-style and we were at the very least competent with Crompton and Hardesty leading the way. Best OL Player: Jacquez McClendon? This was the year with the 260lb Sullivan twins.

2010-- Dooley's Year Zero. Back to the drawing board on OL with a lot of freshmen/underclassmen. Simms had zero pocket awareness, and it was Bray's quick release to track star Justin Hunter that bailed us out in the second half of the season. Not a whole lotta run blocking these years. Best OL Player(s): JaWuan James, Zach Fulton, Dallas Thomas, maybe James Stone. Stone seemed to get worse over his time here, but that was likely his switch from G to C where he had trouble with snapping the ball.

2011-- Disappointment. Injury to Bray's thumb didn't bode well for an OL that was coached up for pass-protection. Same OL that did get better, but disappointing results as we still didn't have a reliable running game. This was Tiny Richardson's freshman year iirc.

2012-- Penultimate disappointment for the team as a whole. Same OL had finally jelled to completion, according to the media and preseason magazines. Again, great pass-pro, but the SEC requires a heartier run game. We know the results.

2013-- Butch's first year, and we retained a good portion of the OL-- James, Tiny, Fulton, added Alex Bullard as a transfer from ND. Problem was, our defense sucked and we had like, zeeeeero talent at the offensive skill positions. Raijon Neal and Marlon Lane were slow af, and Marquez North had only one catch that mattered all year. Eff Spurrier btw.

THIS IS WHERE OUR CURRENT "REBUILD" STARTED-- FOUR YEARS AGO. BUTCH THOUGHT HE COULD SCHEME AROUND A TERRIBLE OL IN THE SEC. IDIOT.

2014-- Marcus Jackson at Guard was our best player. Crowder was soft. Dontavious Blair still has his black stripe. Kyler Kerbyson was reliable only because he showed up every practice and every game, not because he was exceptionally good. We signed a couple four stars (Austin Sanders, Coleman Thomas?, big Charles Moseley-- broken leg from a car accident) that didn't pan out for one reason or another.

2015-- Jackson got hurt for the year in fall practice. Moseley wasn't in game shape. Jashon was a pleasant surprise. We signed Richmond (steal from MUS and Ole Miss) and Venzell Boulware (that checkerboard haircut when he committed tho). Richmond has not had help being developed by proper coaching. Boulware got sick of Butch's s#!t before last year. Blair still sucked. Best OL Player: Jack Jones/Chance Hall along the right side of that line. Particularly against UGA and Alabama.

2016: Everyone got injured. I guess this is where Butch stopped investing time/energy/discipline in S&C. Crowder, Kerbyson, and Marcus Jackson are all gone. Neihaus and Tatum had to play as freshmen. Somehow the slippery flippery god combo of Dobbs and Kamara still won a disappointing eight games. Imagine if we'd actually invested in S&C (wouldn't prevent ALL injuries, but definitely some, one would think) and if we didn't have a no-name nobody who is a friendly face and remembers names good like Walt freakin' Wells as an OL coach.

2017: Trey Smith is GOAT already. Other than that, well, you all know the rest.

After typing this all up over the last 30 minutes, I rank our best OL units as 2013, 2012, 2009, 2015.
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I just want us to stop settling for less. Jeebus. We spend more than almost anyone one facilities and recruiting yet we seem determined to go cheap on the least expensive component of the equation, staff salary. I gurandamtee you that if we'd just let it be known we were willing to pay up to $10 million a year for a recent BCS or Super Bowl winning coach we would not have Pruitt under contract.
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I was referring to legal settlements incurred to extricate the university from incompetent hires.
 
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