Neyland I (Formerly known as Gruden Thread)

[Sara Clark]

4,5 Earthquake just hit Berkeley a few miles from me. Nothing like being jolted awake at 2:40 in the morning.

Glad you're ok, stay safe!

 

[NorCalVol67]

Glad you're ok, stay safe!

Thanks. That was a pretty decent shaker.

 

[Boca Vol]

4,5 Earthquake just hit Berkeley a few miles from me. Nothing like being jolted awake at 2:40 in the morning.

Holy crap. Be safe out there.

 

[Boca Vol]

Boca, you know that I was the one who called Pilot, you also know that I was indeed the one who called Holiday Inn as well as the other Inn. Not sure what point you're trying to make by asking the question you know the answer to or what difference it makes. His comments, while in the middle of all the rumors.... he says you got to love the song rocky top, never say never to nothing, while being asked about the vols....along with bringing up vols during MNF. With your memory being so good in regards to who made call to where, seems like you have selective memory in regards to Gruden encouraging any rumors.



**Edit** Be mindful, before you refer to my comment about idiots chasing planes....notice the word "chasing" it's literal not figurative.

Your post proves the hypersensitivity many Vol fans had regarding Gruden this past Fall.

People will see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear to satisfy their own agenda or wish.

If you step back from it and look at the context around them, his comments weren't "trolling."

Somehow all of these other schools were able to fire a coach and hire a coach without the involvement of:

VC's
Academia
Sacrabbeans
Private Jets
Secret Real Estate Deals
Country Club Memberships
Etc.

It did make for an entertaining couple of months, though. :hi:

 

[Leximax]

Boca, you know that I was the one who called Pilot, you also know that I was indeed the one who called Holiday Inn as well as the other Inn. Not sure what point you're trying to make by asking the question you know the answer to or what difference it makes. His comments, while in the middle of all the rumors.... he says you got to love the song rocky top, never say never to nothing, while being asked about the vols....along with bringing up vols during MNF. With your memory being so good in regards to who made call to where, seems like you have selective memory in regards to Gruden encouraging any rumors.


**Edit** Be mindful, before you refer to my comment about idiots chasing planes....notice the word "chasing" it's literal not figurative.

+1. In addition, on ESPN, as we were hiring Pruitt, a panel was discussing the coaching search. I believe Sterling Hinton was on the panel (my memory is foggy) and he said something along the lines of “the parties talked but no formal agreement was reached.” When pressed, he gave the same vague evasive answer. The clip is on my Twitter but I’m too busy at work today to hunt for it. Bottom line, there was smoke. We weren’t crazy.

 

[Leximax]

Your post proves the hypersensitivity many Vol fans had regarding Gruden this past Fall.

People will see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear to satisfy their own agenda or wish.

If you step back from it and look at the context around them, his comments weren't "trolling."

Somehow all of these other schools were able to fire a coach and hire a coach without the involvement of:

VC's
Academia
Sacrabbeans
Private Jets
Secret Real Estate Deals
Country Club Memberships
Etc.

It did make for an entertaining couple of months, though. :hi:

That’s a somewhat presumptuous conclusion. Did you follow the other coaching searches as we did UT’s? Bottom line, no one knows what occurs behind closed doors in ANY of these searches. Ultimately, the hypersensitivity of our fan base changed the face of college coaching searches forever. I’ve seen several LSU fans on Twitter seeking the advice of VolTwitter as to mobilizing their fan base in order to impact LSU’s AD’s office.

 

[Boca Vol]

That’s a somewhat presumptuous conclusion. Did you follow the other coaching searches as we did UT’s? Bottom line, no one knows what occurs behind closed doors in ANY of these searches. Ultimately, the hypersensitivity of our fan base changed the face of college coaching searches forever. I’ve seen several LSU fans on Twitter seeking the advice of VolTwitter as to mobilizing their fan base in order to impact LSU’s AD’s office.

And we still didn't wind up with Gruden. If the hypersensitivity you're speaking of is in regards to Schiano, then you're correct.

No, I really didn't follow any other coaching searches but I saw vacancies filled in a pretty timely manner.

I would be willing to bet a lot of money (for me) that 75-80% of the stuff that was believed as Gospel during the Gruden threads never happened.

You're an attorney, correct? Did you ever question the "so-called" facts from the Gruden threads? At some point, you have to have proof instead of MIT Beaver's posts.

 

[Leximax]

And we still didn't wind up with Gruden. If the hypersensitivity you're speaking of is in regards to Schiano, then you're correct.

No, I really didn't follow any other coaching searches but I saw vacancies filled in a pretty timely manner.

I would be willing to bet a lot of money (for me) that 75-80% of the stuff that was believed as Gospel during the Gruden threads never happened.

You're an attorney, correct? Did you ever question the "so-called" facts from the Gruden threads? At some point, you have to have proof instead of MIT Beaver's posts.

As I’ve said numerous times, attorney or not, this is an anonymous internet message board. I assume maybe 10% of what I read is true. The reason other vacancies were filled more quickly than UT’s was because the primary malfunction was, and has been for quite some time, in UT’s AD’s office. Ultimately, our fan base’s hypersensitivity, which I’ll characterize as passion, played a huge role in forcing UT to take steps to address the problem. So, in the end, who cares whether some people believed the Gruden talk to be truth? In the end, the outcome wasn’t Gruden but it was positive nonetheless. The fans’ voices were heard and hopefully the AD’s office is in better hands.

 

[Behr]

#wgafnow

 

[Boca Vol]

That’s a somewhat presumptuous conclusion.

:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

The 50+ Gruden threads were based on presumptions!

Let me ask you this...

Let's presume Trolling & Leading On were crimes and UT's fanbase decided to sue Jon Gruden for these crimes. If you were the judge, with the information you have available from both sides, would/could you convict?

 

[Leximax]

#wgafnow

I know I’m getting old; I just had to google that acronym. Haha

 

[Boca Vol]

#wgafnow

We've gotta do something to stir the pot to keep it going.

 

[Boca Vol]

As I’ve said numerous times, attorney or not, this is an anonymous internet message board. I assume maybe 10% of what I read is true. The reason other vacancies were filled more quickly than UT’s was because the primary malfunction was, and has been for quite some time, in UT’s AD’s office. Ultimately, our fan base’s hypersensitivity, which I’ll characterize as passion, played a huge role in forcing UT to take steps to address the problem. So, in the end, who cares whether some people believed the Gruden talk to be truth? In the end, the outcome wasn’t Gruden but it was positive nonetheless. The fans’ voices were heard and hopefully the AD’s office is in better hands.

Well, after the Schiano fiasco nearly anyone would be seen as positive, IMO.

I would dare say, had Currie rolled out Pruitt instead of Schiano there would have been an uproar...maybe not that extent but a few mattresses would have been burned.

 

[The Ron Mexico]

:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

The 50+ Gruden threads were based on presumptions!

Let me ask you this...

Let's presume Trolling & Leading On were crimes and UT's fanbase decided to sue Jon Gruden for these crimes. If you were the judge, with the information you have available from both sides, would/could you convict?

By “presumptions” do you mean “straight up lies”?

 

[Leximax]

:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

The 50+ Gruden threads were based on presumptions!

Let me ask you this...

Let's presume Trolling & Leading On were crimes and UT's fanbase decided to sue Jon Gruden for these crimes. If you were the judge, with the information you have available from both sides, would/could you convict?

No kidding! That’s why they were called grumors because it was all hearsay and conjecture.

So, you’re indicting the Grudenites for all their presumptions but you want me to provide my opinion on a hypothetical whereby I must presume the existence of crimes that don’t exist in reality? Honestly, the Court of Public Opinion has already answered your question. But again, who cares at this point? Were you somehow negatively impacted by the opinions and beliefs of others regarding Gruden? It was entertainment mixed with a dash of hope.

 

[Behr]

We've gotta do something to stir the pot to keep it going.

I remember you posting something about some friends or someone you knew that were tailgating at one of the games during the Gruden.. ...thing. Because of something they said, you were at 50% on him coming. That was a pretty big jump from 25%.

I don't remember what the reason for this sudden jump was. Care to refresh my memory?

 

[Boca Vol]

I remember you posting something about some friends or someone you knew that were tailgating at one of the games during the Gruden.. ...thing. Because of something they said, you were at 50% on him coming. That was a pretty big jump from 25%.

I don't remember what the reason for this sudden jump was. Care to refresh my memory?

Yes, they said his name started with a "J" and I told them, "Great! We're getting June Jones!"

The jump to 50% was blue font and alcohol!

 

[Boca Vol]

No kidding! That’s why they were called grumors because it was all hearsay and conjecture.

So, you’re indicting the Grudenites for all their presumptions but you want me to provide my opinion on a hypothetical whereby I must presume the existence of crimes that don’t exist in reality? Honestly, the Court of Public Opinion has already answered your question. But again, who cares at this point? Were you somehow negatively impacted by the opinions and beliefs of others regarding Gruden? It was entertainment mixed with a dash of hope.

UT fans are mad a Gruden for trolling them and leading them on, correct?

I thought my hypothetical question, based on that presumption, was pretty cut and dry. Unfortunately, the court of public opinion doesn't require proof and can exist purely on emotion.

As I've said all along, the Gruden threads were entertaining. I have no hostility, as some openly do, towards Gruden.

 

[Leximax]

Yes, they said his name started with a "J" and I told them, "Great! We're getting June Jones!"

The jump to 50% was blue font and alcohol!

I guess I’m confused as to why you were in the thread to begin with then. If you’re this passionate about people’s beliefs about Jon Gruden, I can’t imagine how you react to religious and political debates! Haha

 

[Boca Vol]

I guess I’m confused as to why you were in the thread to begin with then. If you’re this passionate about people’s beliefs about Jon Gruden, I can’t imagine how you react to religious and political debates! Haha

For the umpteenth time, entertainment. Yes, I had hope but very little belief UT could pull it off.

I leave the political and religious debates to the pros.

 

[Behr]

I have no hostility, as some openly do, towards Gruden.

And IMO, that's sillier than anything "Gruden".

Edit: in case I confused you, I meant having any ill feelings toward him whatsoever is silly. IMO.

 

[Behr]

Wait, almost sillier...

 

[Boca Vol]

Wait, almost sillier...

Well, the guy Periscoping from the airport has to make the Top 10 Grudemonium events/episodes. That was the funniest hour or so I can recall. I think all the comments scrolling by on that site and the comments on here made for a great laugh.:loco:

 

[Boca Vol]

And IMO, that's sillier than anything "Gruden".

Edit: in case I confused you, I meant having any ill feelings toward him whatsoever is silly. IMO.

Yes, I was confused...but you already knew than since you edited your post.

 

[Behr]

Well, the guy Periscoping from the airport has to make the Top 10 Grudemonium events/episodes. That was the funniest hour or so I can recall. I think all the comments scrolling by on that site and the comments on here made for a great laugh.:loco:

Yea, that was funny and entertaining enough for me not to consider it as one of the "silliest". Then again, I guess it depends on how we define it.

To me the silliest was people sending Freak emails complaining about others trolling. Lol, if you think about it.