Where did life begin? (Merged)

Do you believe we have a creator, aka "God"?

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MercyPercy said:
Young earth creationism is off the table completely because modern science determines that to be absurdity of the highest order and there are mountains of evidence which prove the earth is far older.

Creationism in general is not taught because there is nothing really to teach. "Scientists theorize an event called the big bang occurred and the universe expanded rapidly from a single point. The evidence behind this theory is.."

"Or, we guess it could have been a supreme god, but there's nothing really we can test or observe that would legitimize this theory in a scientific context. And this is a science class, so.."

It's just not relevant.
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With an overwhelming mountain of evidence surely you could come up with some that will change and old Hicks mind like mine. I want evidence that is simple enough that even a child can understand. So help yourself and convince me.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Methodological naturalism is a metaphysical belief.
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What do you think, OC? Despite our differences I respect your opinion. Do You think the current evidence for creationism warrants it being part of science class? Knowing what the context of a science classroom is meant to be?

If so, what would you teach specifically?
 
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roosterjbh said:
I have no qualms with people being religious.

You teaching kids young earth creationist nonsense is doing nothing but stunting them intellectually.

I suggest you look up someone like William Lane Craig, or other academics of your faith on what they have to say on YEC evidence and how it is hurting Christianity.
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You are welcome to your opinion as I am mine.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
The bolded is a common technique used by many religions and denominations. The LDS Church relies heavily on this. “If you are truly seeking the truth through prayer, then you will see it the same way I do.”

I don’t actually know if you hold that belief, but it seems as though you might.
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No I don't think that would actually describe how I believe.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I meant no disrespect with the baptist comments. I find baptist to be some of the more reasonable people. My kids went to a COC school you can imagine how that went.
I only said that as we attended the same baptist church as kids (my mother is baptist) and played on the same league b-ball team.
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What's up SLICE?????
Looks like you have some free time and are having some fun..........I LIKE it!!!
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
Then this would lead me to believe that there could be multiple paths to salvation.
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Not necessarily you don't have to believe everything that I believe. There are however some Cardinal doctrines that must be believe for salvation. However doctrines of events you can be wrong on and still go to heaven. Such as you can believe again Theory or young Earth 6 day literal creation Theory and still be saved. You may have a different opinion on what the scripture says about the second coming of Jesus Christ and still be saved. However you may not be wrong about the atonement of Jesus Christ and what he did on the cross of Calvary for salvation. You must believe the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ to be saved. The Virgin birth of Jesus Christ is a necessary Doctrine as to who he is.
I hope that cleared it up some for what you were asking.
 
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hog88 said:
Nothing bad has ever happened nor have I felt any remorse when I followed it's lead. When I've ignored it things haven't turned out so well.
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Your conscience is the standard, so your conscience has never led you to break the standard? Doesn't that seem tautological?
 
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Jesus did say I am the way the truth and the life no man come unto the father but by me. Therefore it is safe to conclude that Jesus is the only means of salvation.
 
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BigO95 said:
Not necessarily you don't have to believe everything that I believe. There are however some Cardinal doctrines that must be believe for salvation. However doctrines of events you can be wrong on and still go to heaven. Such as you can believe again Theory or young Earth 6 day literal creation Theory and still be saved. You may have a different opinion on what the scripture says about the second coming of Jesus Christ and still be saved. However you may not be wrong about the atonement of Jesus Christ and what he did on the cross of Calvary for salvation. You must believe the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ to be saved. The Virgin birth of Jesus Christ is a necessary Doctrine as to who he is.
I hope that cleared it up some for what you were asking.
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This is exactly what I asked and, tho you didn’t ask, I agree that is how a Christian should believe.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
This is exactly what I asked and, tho you didn’t ask, I agree that is how a Christian should believe.
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I believe everyone has the right to be wrong if they want to. Lol I do agree with you on on that completely. We may not see eye-to-eye on everything but there are some things we can't do without
 
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hog88 said:
Not what I said at all.

I believe our conscience is God speaking to us.
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I'm not trying to snipe you. That question mark was there on purpose. :)

From what I've gathered, you don't trust the Bible, but trust your "inner voice", which you believe to be God speaking to you. Thus, from what I can tell, your "inner voice" is God's standard, yet you reject anything outside of yourself that would contradict the "inner voice/conscience".

Yet, you say that the inner voice has never "led you wrong".

What am I missing? Your inner voice is the standard because your inner voice has never gone against your inner voice?

I seriously don't want to mis-attribute, so correct me where needed.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Torah and the prophets were protected by scribes with a ridiculous level of scrutiny. The letters and writings (New Testament) not so much
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Lol. Except for all that slavery time. Getting displaced and or conquered every other generation. Yeah sure, it's a straight line in the Torah.

There is also some real interesting comparisons on the various prophets writings as taught. Supposedly in the Hebrew it is very clear they were written by the same person with alterations to text. From what I understand it deals with tenses and actual word usage, some words being used long before it was used elsewhere. Despite a vast time difference. Plenty of interprations there too.

Not saying anything about the new testament but your Torah went unmonitored for long periods.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The problem is it’s written in ancient Hebrew that is very difficult to translate and maintain its original interpretation. Plus the translation doesn’t take into account the customs of the time and how the original audience would have understood it.
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How about explaining some of these customs to me so I can better understand.
Are you saying that only the Jewish people can properly interpret the scriptures?
 
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BigO95 said:
How about explaining some of these customs to me so I can better understand.
Are you saying that only the Jewish people can properly interpret the scriptures?
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I’m saying you should do some research to see what is actually being said beyond the kjv.

Stab dogma and leave it for dead.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Sadly we don’t know.
We’ve shown HaShem so much respect the actual vowels have been lost to history.
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That was my understanding as well.

Did He ever ask Israel to not speak or spell His name? i.e. Did He ask for *that* respect?

When He gave His name to Moses as YHWH and said it was to be a memorial to Israel, what did He mean?
 
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