Where did life begin? (Merged)

Do you believe we have a creator, aka "God"?

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#2,426
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It seems logical that creation actually is evolution from a chemically formed cell and is the standard for the universe. Only in this way are the eventual evolved species perfectly suited for the planet they will exist on. The only reason for death is continued evolution until a dominate immortal species is created, probably a cyborg or more likely just AI. My guess is its this way on every planet with conditions suitable to create a bacteria from the basic chemicals present everywhere in the universe.
 
#2,429
#2,429
And thank you hog for the respect. Whether you folks believe it or not I do respect your opinion.
 
#2,430
#2,430
hog88 said:
I have no doubt. I would probably believe the same if I had any faith in the men who wrote and edited the books.
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Dear friend if God can speak the world into existence who can use sinful man to get his Bible written. It is a supernatural matter. My face is not in the men but the god the men served.
 
#2,432
#2,432
The only way biblical creation make sense is that understanding God created a mature creation. Adam was 0 years old when he was created but I do believe that he was created as a fully mature man.
 
#2,433
#2,433
BigO95 said:
Dear friend if God can speak the world into existence who can use sinful man to get his Bible written. It is a supernatural matter. My face is not in the men but the god the men served.
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Here is where we differ, I don't think they were always serving God. There was a lot of self service going on also.

Again, I 100% believe there is a God but I don't need a book to reinforce that belief, I see evidence of him every day.
 
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#2,434
Orangeslice13 said:
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Thank you slice for that link, but the foundational truth isn't man's opinion, it's what does the Bible say. There is no way you can read Genesis chapter 1 through 3 and come up with anything but a literal 6 day creation.
The Gap Theory was a sad try to make Evolution and the Bible work together. It's certainly is not the plane teaching of the Bible Exodus 20 the Claire's in six days the Lord made the Heaven and the Earth on the seventh day he rested.
 
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hog88 said:
Here is where we differ, I don't think they were always serving God. There was a lot of self service going on also.

Again, I 100% believe there is a God but I don't need a book to reinforce that belief, I see evidence of him every day.
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Then how can you possibly know which portion is right and which portion is wrong? Does that not put you in authority over God? By what other means did God give us when it's all said and done to know the truth?
 
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BigO95 said:
Thank you slice for that link, but the foundational truth isn't man's opinion, it's what does the Bible say. There is no way you can read Genesis chapter 1 through 3 and come up with anything but a literal 6 day creation.
The Gap Theory was a sad try to make Evolution and the Bible work together. It's certainly is not the plane teaching of the Bible Exodus 20 the Claire's in six days the Lord made the Heaven and the Earth on the seventh day he rested.
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Very smart people who are just as devoted to G-d as you think the earth is very old and that’s what scripture teaches.
 
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#2,439
#2,439
Evolution is the exact method G-d used to bring about people and animals.

Genesis 1-24 kjv

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.


The earth brings forth the animals under the natural laws set forth by G-d
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Very smart people who are just as devoted to G-d as you think the earth is very old and that’s what scripture teaches.
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Dear friend I believe this to be correct. And I certainly do not mean to question their intelligence. Some of those people are very brilliant. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they are right.
It really all boils down to who are you going to believe, man or Gods word?
And as a as a Christian I believe that Satan is a very real enemy of God and man. If you were the devil, what would you do to destroy man faith in God? The same thing the serpent did in the Garden of Eden towards Eve, the serpent cast doubt on God's word. Basically he called God a liar.
 
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#2,441
Orangeslice13 said:
Evolution is the exact method G-d used to bring about people and animals.

Genesis 1-24 kjv

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.


The earth brings forth the animals under the natural laws set forth by G-d
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Yes natural law of procreation, Mankind and animals and plant life reproduce after their own kind.
 
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#2,442
BigO95 said:
Then how can you possibly know which portion is right and which portion is wrong? Does that not put you in authority over God? By what other means did God give us when it's all said and done to know the truth?
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No, it in no way puts me in an authority over God.

He gave us a conscious, that little voice you hear inside your head. Has that ever told you to do something wrong?
 
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#2,444
BigO95 said:
Dear friend I believe this to be correct. And I certainly do not mean to question their intelligence. Some of those people are very brilliant. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they are right.
It really all boils down to who are you going to believe, man or Gods word?
And as a as a Christian I believe that Satan is a very real enemy of God and man. If you were the devil, what would you do to destroy man faith in God? The same thing the serpent did in the Garden of Eden towards Eve, the serpent cast doubt on God's word. Basically he called God a liar.
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But it could be you calling G-d a liar if you attribute things to G-d that he just didn’t say. There interpretation isn’t wrong because you disagree with them. They at least can back up their interpretations with science. G-d claims in scripture to declare the end from the beginning and the existence of everything is proof. (A oversimplification of G-Ds speach in Job) world it not make sense that science would support G-ds word?
 
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#2,446
hog88 said:
No, it in no way puts me in an authority over God.

He gave us a conscious, that little voice you hear inside your head. Has that ever told you to do something wrong?
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Do you believe that Devil's can speak to you as well? Has not Satan's ministers transform themselves into angels of light? Our feelings are the least trustworthy things about us, our flesh cannot be trusted.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
You're conflating a first first cause with a first cause in a causal chain. I'm not claiming that one of these causes came before any other non-contingent causes.

These first causes could themselves be uncaused and have no beginning.
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Only because of how you asked the question.
 
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#2,448
BigO95 said:
The foundational question in the Serpent's attack on Eve, yeah hath God said?
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Isn’t that exactly what you’re doing by adding to scripture what isn’t there? G-d makes no claim on the timing of creation. It’s the young earthers manipulations of scripture that do that
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
But it could be you calling G-d a liar if you attribute things to G-d that he just didn’t say. There interpretation isn’t wrong because you disagree with them. They at least can back up their interpretations with science. G-d claims in scripture to declare the end from the beginning and the existence of everything is proof. (A oversimplification of G-Ds speach in Job) world it not make sense that science would support G-ds word?
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I do believe science backs up God's word. If I teach things about God that are not biblical, then I have created a false god, a gross misrepresentation of God, there for an idol if you will. If I believe thing that are false hence not biblical then I have created a version of God In My Mind that is an idol.
 
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