Where did life begin? (Merged)

Do you believe we have a creator, aka "God"?

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Vol8188 said:
You really believe their methods are that far off?
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I believe there to be situations that can screw up certain tests/samples. Contaminated samples ....ect .....but no most religious people don’t think it’s that far off.





Oops. Not talking too me. Sorry
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Isn’t that exactly what you’re doing by adding to scripture what isn’t there? G-d makes no claim on the timing of creation. It’s the young earthers manipulations of scripture that do that
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I am simply teaching what plain English says in Genesis chapter 1 through 3.
 
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BigO95 said:
I am simply teaching what plain English says in Genesis chapter 1 through 3.
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The problem is it’s written in ancient Hebrew that is very difficult to translate and maintain its original interpretation. Plus the translation doesn’t take into account the customs of the time and how the original audience would have understood it.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Evolution is the exact method G-d used to bring about people and animals.

Genesis 1-24 kjv

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.


The earth brings forth the animals under the natural laws set forth by G-d
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Is this not G-d simply explaining evolution to sheep hurders 3000 years ago in terms they’d understand?
 
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BigO95 said:
Do you believe that Devil's can speak to you as well? Has not Satan's ministers transform themselves into angels of light? Our feelings are the least trustworthy things about us, our flesh cannot be trusted.
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I believe he can and I believe that those born without a conscious (that little voice, you're soul) tend to listen.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I believe there to be situations that can screw up certain tests/samples. Contaminated samples ....ect .....but no most religious people don’t think it’s that far off.


The only way you can know for sure is to test samples of known age. If you do not know for certain the age then it is not a fair test.
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Orangeslice13 said:
The problem is it’s written in ancient Hebrew that is very difficult to translate and maintain its original interpretation. Plus the translation doesn’t take into account the customs of the time and how the original audience would have understood it.
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So can any average person who can read. Everyone doesn't speak or read Hebrew, or Greek that's why God gave us and English translation because I speak English. There is nothing hard to understand about that.
 
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BigO95 said:
Then how can you possibly know which portion is right and which portion is wrong? Does that not put you in authority over God? By what other means did God give us when it's all said and done to know the truth?
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So you really believe every single word of a translated document is the actual word of god? That's a lot of faith to put into men.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So you really believe every single word of a translated document is the actual word of god? That's a lot of faith to put into men.
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Again my faith is not in men but the god that gave the word in the first place. Do you not think that God could give his word and all its Purity and exact detail in the Hebrew and Greek and not the English?
 
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BigO95 said:
So can any average person who can read. Everyone doesn't speak or read Hebrew, or Greek that's why God gave us and English translation because I speak English. There is nothing hard to understand about that.
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Yet you and I read the very same English and come up with wildly different interpretation.
 
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BigO95 said:
Again my faith is not in men but the god that gave the word in the first place. Do you not think that God could give his word and all its Purity and exact detail in the Hebrew and Greek and not the English?
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In order to do what you're claiming (put faith into the Bible) you have to put a ton of faith into the men who both wrote and translated the Bible. You have to believe they did so infallibly. Otherwise your "the Bible is the literal word of god" claim starts falling apart.
 
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BigO95 said:
Again my faith is not in men but the god that gave the word in the first place. Do you not think that God could give his word and all its Purity and exact detail in the Hebrew and Greek and not the English?
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Torah and the prophets were protected by scribes with a ridiculous level of scrutiny. The letters and writings (New Testament) not so much
 
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To put it simple I believe God perfectly preserved his word. I believe that God also answered prayer of Great Men who serve God before and gave us an English Bible that even the common plowboy could understand without having to have a priest.
 
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Now then I don't have to rely on man to tell me what God's word says I can read it for myself
 
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BigO95 said:
To put it simple I believe God perfectly preserved his word. I believe that God also answered prayer of Great Men who serve God before and gave us an English Bible that even the common plowboy could understand without having to have a priest.
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You're taking the word of man on that
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Torah and the prophets were protected by scribes with a ridiculous level of scrutiny. The letters and writings (New Testament) not so much
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Yes the New Testament was entrusted to the church, they are just as Godly as the old Prophets.
 
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Vol8188 said:
In order to do what you're claiming (put faith into the Bible) you have to put a ton of faith into the men who both wrote and translated the Bible. You have to believe they did so infallibly. Otherwise your "the Bible is the literal word of god" claim starts falling apart.
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That's the same deal with the Old Testament as well. I would rather put my faith in those Godly men then some of these so-called scientist.
 
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#2,475
Vol8188 said:
Give me a label for your views again. I believe you've told me before, but I forgot. Are you Jewish?
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Yes I’m a Jewish.
I practice a brand of Judaism that believes that the last prophet of G-d came in the form of Yeshua. The last prophet is also known as Messiah. Messiah is different then all previous prophets as he was issued the actual authority and power of G-d. Much like the angle of the lord in Exodus. Yeshua was the authority of G-d without actually being G-d. We believe he is the literal fulfillment of Leviticus 4-5-and 6 as spoken by Isaiah and Daniel. We believe and put our faith in Messiah and the things he said of himself as the path to the one and only All Mighty G-d.

Commonly known as Messianic Judaism.


Hope that helps.
 
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