Where did life begin? (Merged)

[BigO95]

The Lord gave us a Bible to study and not be ignorant of our Creator. A common theme through the Bible is that God wants to be identified as the Creator and reverenced as such.
Most of all the Creator died for his creation so they can have eternal life!!! What love!!!!

 

[Orangeslice13]

Are you saying that unless one lives by the original Levitical law that one rejects Christ? Jesus did indeed fulfill the law and is the only person ever to have done so. Even while suffering on the cross he told the thief, who presumably up until that time had not been one who lived by the Law, that He would see him in paradise due to his confessed belief in Christ. It seems that there is plenty of room in heaven for people who do not live by the Levitical Law all of their life.

Yeshua is the salvation of YHWH.
The literal fulfillment of Lev 4,5,and 6.
As the prophet Malachi said the prayers of G-ds people have replaced those atoning sacrifices in Yeshua Messiah. Forgiveness still requires repentance. You keep the law to the best of your ability because you love G-d and not out of any fear from punishment.

Oversimplification.....
Yeshua is atonement. Nobody goes to G-d without Him
Repentance is forgiveness
YHWH is salvation
Torah is a standard to live by.


All my opinion of course.
If you disagree that’s cool.

 

[superdave1984]

I believe in God. I believe the Bible. Those who do not are entitled to their opinions. However, I tell non believers this: If you are holding firm to your beliefs, then, at the end of time, you better be right. My beliefs will never do me harm, nor will they do anyone else harm.

I do not try to berate anyone for their beliefs, I do not attack anyone for their beliefs, I do not try to force my beliefs on other. I live my life, I tell my story, I praise my God. My transformed life is my example.

 

[superdave1984]

Yeshua is the salvation of YHWH.
The literal fulfillment of Lev 4,5,and 6.
As the prophet Malachi said the prayers of G-ds people have replaced those atoning sacrifices in Yeshua Messiah. Forgiveness still requires repentance. You keep the law to the best of your ability because you love G-d and not out of any fear from punishment.

Oversimplification.....
Yeshua is atonement. Nobody goes to G-d without Him
Repentance is forgiveness
YHWH is salvation
Torah is a standard to live by.


All my opinion of course.
If you disagree that’s cool.

I will have to disagree with this statement. Repentance is the act of turning away from your sin. Forgiveness is a gift from God that you receive if you ask.

 

[hog88]

The Bible plainly teaches an everlasting punishment, I can understand that just fine.

Question. Do you believe that the bible is the actual word of God?

 

[Wafflestomper]

I believe in God. I believe the Bible. Those who do not are entitled to their opinions. However, I tell non believers this: If you are holding firm to your beliefs, then, at the end of time, you better be right. My beliefs will never do me harm, nor will they do anyone else harm.

I do not try to berate anyone for their beliefs, I do not attack anyone for their beliefs, I do not try to force my beliefs on other. I live my life, I tell my story, I praise my God. My transformed life is my example.

Unless there is another god who sends you to its hell...

 

[Orangeslice13]

I will have to disagree with this statement. Repentance is the act of turning away from your sin. Forgiveness is a gift from God that you receive if you ask.

They are the same.
If you repent, G-d has promised to forgive

 

[hog88]

Unless there is another god who sends you to its hell...

It's a chance everyone, believers and non believers take. On judgment day there will be a **** ton of people saying "Damn"!

 

[Orangeslice13]

Unless there is another god who sends you to its hell...

Which brings me to .....Should G-d slay me I will still follow Him as He loaned me this life and I’m grateful.



I know.....you weren’t talking to the Jew

 

[Squints]

An overlooked truth involving salvation is this:

Grace.

Grace cannot be earned. It was freely given to us and paid in full by Jesus Christ. You cannot earn what is already there, but you are given free will to accept or reject this grace.

It is my prayer to all of you that you accept what cannot be earned and allow Jesus to be the Lord of your lives. Amen.

 

[Orangeslice13]

An overlooked truth involving salvation is this:

Grace.

Grace cannot be earned. It was freely given to us and paid in full by Jesus Christ. You cannot earn what is already there, but you are given free will to accept or reject this grace.

It is my prayer to all of you that you accept what cannot be earned and allow Jesus to be the Lord of your lives. Amen.

What is trusting faith?

 

[Septic]

I believe in God. I believe the Bible. Those who do not are entitled to their opinions. However, I tell non believers this: If you are holding firm to your beliefs, then, at the end of time, you better be right. My beliefs will never do me harm, nor will they do anyone else harm.

I do not try to berate anyone for their beliefs, I do not attack anyone for their beliefs, I do not try to force my beliefs on other. I live my life, I tell my story, I praise my God. My transformed life is my example.

What if you're wrong about which religion you've chosen (or by geographical proxy, determined for you)?

Do you believe that belief is a matter of choice? In other words can you believe something as true, just because you wish it to be true?

Would a just god punish a non believer for an inability to accept the belief without evidence? Reason and logic would seem to be an ironic gift for humans if they were ultimately punished for using it.

Your dichotomy is the Swiss cheese of bad theological arguments of why someone "should believe".

 

[distrovol]

Yeshua is the salvation of YHWH.
The literal fulfillment of Lev 4,5,and 6.
As the prophet Malachi said the prayers of G-ds people have replaced those atoning sacrifices in Yeshua Messiah. Forgiveness still requires repentance. You keep the law to the best of your ability because you love G-d and not out of any fear from punishment.

Oversimplification.....
Yeshua is atonement. Nobody goes to G-d without Him
Repentance is forgiveness
YHWH is salvation
Torah is a standard to live by.


All my opinion of course.
If you disagree that’s cool.

The bolded is the only point of contention I have. Jesus plainly said that he represents a new covenant, which is to love your neighbor as you love yourself. The problem, as I see it, with trying to live by the Levitical law (the old covenant) is that you have to pick what is still valid today. One can follow the "do's and dont's", but can't mete out the punishments that were once prescribed (stoning for adultery, for example). Would't that leave one open the the charge of picking and choosing which laws to live by rather than living by a rigid standard?

 

[PKT_VOL]

I don't know, but there seems to be better evidence for "random chance."

Does it make sense that God sent his son, who is also himself, to die as a human being, to somehow atone for the crimes of two people (made from mud and a rib), who were tricked by a talking snake, eating a magic apple?

False dichotomy.

The latter being ridiculous does not negate the former from also being ridiculous.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The bolded is the only point of contention I have. Jesus plainly said that he represents a new covenant, which is to love your neighbor as you love yourself. The problem, as I see it, with trying to live by the Levitical law (the old covenant) is that you have to pick what is still valid today. One can follow the "do's and dont's", but can't mete out the punishments that were once prescribed (stoning for adultery, for example). Would't that leave one open the the charge of picking and choosing which laws to live by rather than living by a rigid standard?

James explained.

For a person who keeps the whole Torah, yet stumbles at one point, has become guilty of breaking them all. 11 For the One who said, "Don't commit adultery," also said, "Don't murder."c Now, if you don't commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the Torah. 12 Keep speaking and acting like people who will be judged by a Torah which gives freedom. 13 For judgment will be without mercy toward one who doesn't show mercy; but mercy wins out over judgment. 14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith but has no actions to prove it? Is such "faith" able to save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food, 16 and someone says to him, "Shalom! Keep warm and eat hearty!" without giving him what he needs, what good does it do? 17 Thus, faith by itself, unaccompanied by actions, is dead. 18 But someone will say that you have faith and I have actions. Show me this faith of yours without the actions, and I will show you my faith by my actions! 19 You believe that "God is one"? Good for you! The demons believe it too - the thought makes them shudder with fear! 20 But, foolish fellow, do you want to be shown that such "faith" apart from actions is barren? 21 Wasn't Avraham avinu declared righteous because of actions when he offered up his son Yitz'chak on the altar? 22 You see that his faith worked with his actions; by the actions the faith was made complete; 23 and the passage of the Tanakh was fulfilled which says, "Avraham had faith in God, and it was credited to his account as righteousness." He was even called God's friend. 24 You see that a person is declared righteous because of actions and not because of faith alone. 25 Likewise, wasn't Rachav the prostitute also declared righteous because of actions when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another route? 26 Indeed, just as the body without a spirit is dead, so too faith without actions is dead.


Yeshua fulfills atonement. The covenant remains unless you believe G-d lied to Abraham. And no others breaking covenant with G-d doesn’t mean G-d would break his covenant with Abraham. As Yeshua clearly said not one Jot or tittle will pas away till the end of all things. Yeshuas “new” covenant doesn’t bring an end to the “old” rather it is added to the original

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Are you saying that unless one lives by the original Levitical law that one rejects Christ? Jesus did indeed fulfill the law and is the only person ever to have done so. Even while suffering on the cross he told the thief, who presumably up until that time had not been one who lived by the Law, that He would see him in paradise due to his confessed belief in Christ. It seems that there is plenty of room in heaven for people who do not live by the Levitical Law all of their life.

I appreciate the way you post and represent the faith. You come across in a non judgmental, unadversarial? Way. Hope O.C. gets here soon as well. He is a Pastor, a good man, and a thoughtful poster. I have spoken with him at length about personal matters. God bless you and yours.

 

[Orangeslice13]

And what Torah principal was James teaching?

Hanukkah 2:4

4 "Look at the proud: he is inwardly not upright; but the righteous will attain life through trusting faithfulness.



Look at that. The “Old Testament “ says salvation is by Trusting faithfulness just like James.

(Other than this Jew) who would have thought that

 

[VolsSportsFan]

What if I had "died" and went to Heaven and met Jesus and was then revived? Would that be sufficient evidence FOR ME?

I guess; I can't tell you what you did or did not experience. But that experience does absolutely nothing for me or anyone else and really isn't useful. Not to mention getting into the science of what happens when your body is dying, your brain activity, and confirmation bias.

Also you have to break down that other people that believe in other religions have had the same type near death experiences and didn't see Jesus but saw their respective religious icons. Does that make their religion true?

 

[BigO95]

Question. Do you believe that the bible is the actual word of God?

Yes I do!

 

[BigO95]

An overlooked truth involving salvation is this:

Grace.

Grace cannot be earned. It was freely given to us and paid in full by Jesus Christ. You cannot earn what is already there, but you are given free will to accept or reject this grace.

It is my prayer to all of you that you accept what cannot be earned and allow Jesus to be the Lord of your lives. Amen.

Spot on my friend!

 

[zeppelin128]

I think the talking snake is allegory. As in you are not a literal Zeppelin.

However your point still remains as there is a talking donkey and it’s clearly not allegorical

I am the reincarnated spirit of Jon Bonham.

 

[distrovol]

James explained.

For a person who keeps the whole Torah, yet stumbles at one point, has become guilty of breaking them all. 11 For the One who said, "Don't commit adultery," also said, "Don't murder."c Now, if you don't commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the Torah. 12 Keep speaking and acting like people who will be judged by a Torah which gives freedom. 13 For judgment will be without mercy toward one who doesn't show mercy; but mercy wins out over judgment. 14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith but has no actions to prove it? Is such "faith" able to save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food, 16 and someone says to him, "Shalom! Keep warm and eat hearty!" without giving him what he needs, what good does it do? 17 Thus, faith by itself, unaccompanied by actions, is dead. 18 But someone will say that you have faith and I have actions. Show me this faith of yours without the actions, and I will show you my faith by my actions! 19 You believe that "God is one"? Good for you! The demons believe it too - the thought makes them shudder with fear! 20 But, foolish fellow, do you want to be shown that such "faith" apart from actions is barren? 21 Wasn't Avraham avinu declared righteous because of actions when he offered up his son Yitz'chak on the altar? 22 You see that his faith worked with his actions; by the actions the faith was made complete; 23 and the passage of the Tanakh was fulfilled which says, "Avraham had faith in God, and it was credited to his account as righteousness." He was even called God's friend. 24 You see that a person is declared righteous because of actions and not because of faith alone. 25 Likewise, wasn't Rachav the prostitute also declared righteous because of actions when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another route? 26 Indeed, just as the body without a spirit is dead, so too faith without actions is dead.


Yeshua fulfills atonement. The covenant remains unless you believe G-d lied to Abraham. And no others breaking covenant with G-d doesn’t mean G-d would break his covenant with Abraham. As Yeshua clearly said not one Jot or tittle will pas away till the end of all things. Yeshuas “new” covenant doesn’t bring an end to the “old” rather it is added to the original

I agree with most of this, but I believe my original point was to disagree with the assertion that those who do not keep the law reject God. Your bringing up the adulteress before Jesus is a good example. He was being baited into breaking the Law (because the punishment is death by stoning) but still outsmarted them based on love and compassion. If anyone had the authority to mete out the punishment pescribed by Torah it was He, but he did not. Was He rejecting the original law? No, I believe he was setting the example of the New Covenant He represented.

Edit: If I mischaracterized your position, apologies to you.

 

[hog88]

Yes I do!

That's cool. I don't share that belief.

It's not that I don't have faith in God, I don't have faith in the men who penned the bible and I absolutely do not have faith in those that edited it. It's called the King James version for a reason.

 

[distrovol]

I appreciate the way you post and represent the faith. You come across in a non judgmental, unadversarial? Way. Hope O.C. gets here soon as well. He is a Pastor, a good man, and a thoughtful poster. I have spoken with him at length about personal matters. God bless you and yours.

Thank you, Marcus. I have always thought you are good people as well. I appreciate your goodwill.

I have been hoping OC would make and appearance, too. I always enjoy his perspective.

 

[Wafflestomper]

False dichotomy.

The latter being ridiculous does not negate the former from also being ridiculous.

I didn't say you had to pick one or the other. I was appealing to the implication he made that the truth needs to make sense.